Bo,Quote Okay well did Jesus directly say he was God and if he didn't why not?Well, He calls Himself the 'first and the last' which is declaring divinity.Rev 1:17 I am the first and the last, 18and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades. Isaiah 44:6″Thus says the LORD, the King…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 10 2012,19:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 11 2012,10:32)BD,Quote Keep in mind that I love Jesus greatly and I consider myself arguing on his behalf that he would not ascribe himself what you have ascribed to him.I will keep that in mind, and so do I. He is who He is and if either or both of us deny who He is then one or both…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 10 2012,18:56)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 11 2012,10:25)BD,You asked:Quote If this is true how can Jesus have a BEGOTTEN NATURE and GOD not have that same nature?Jesus already had His nature before He was begotten. Even men have their nature determined before they are begotten/born. Jesus existed before the ages with divine…[Read more]

BD,Quote God gave MANKIND His Likeness ut in those early chapters Adam is not called “Son” and yet in the NT we find the statementLuke 3:38the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.So here we see that by the NT Adam is recognized as the son of God and he was the one who was made in the image and likeness of God according…[Read more]

BD,Quote Keep in mind that I love Jesus greatly and I consider myself arguing on his behalf that he would not ascribe himself what you have ascribed to him.I will keep that in mind, and so do I. He is who He is and if either or both of us deny who He is then one or both of us should want to know who He really is more than we want to hold onto…[Read more]

BD,You asked:Quote If this is true how can Jesus have a BEGOTTEN NATURE and GOD not have that same nature?Jesus already had His nature before He was begotten. Even men have their nature determined before they are begotten/born. Jesus existed before the ages with divine nature before He was begotten from the Father.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 10 2012,16:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 10 2012,16:04)BD,You asked me this:Quote The term God the Father is a Metaphor if it isn't then HE is the literal Father of all.This is why in Islam the usage of such language has been cleansed God is Unique there is none like HIM. HE is not begotten nor does HE Beget. Language ca be…[Read more]

BD,I will continue our discussion over here:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y369356Thanks

BD,You asked me this:Quote The term God the Father is a Metaphor if it isn't then HE is the literal Father of all.This is why in Islam the usage of such language has been cleansed God is Unique there is none like HIM. HE is not begotten nor does HE Beget. Language ca be used very poetically to pint out certain things we should not ignore the…[Read more]

Mike,Quote does being told by Jehovah to obey a different god who represents His interests equate that representative to the Almighty God he represents? YES or NO?Nope, only the Son is equal to the Father in nature of whom He represents. No body else.

Mike,2 kings 17:35When the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites, he commanded them: “Do not worship any other gods or bow down to them, serve them or sacrifice to them.Jehovah who is the God of gods (the Almighty Father) and the Lord of lords (the almighty Son) never commands us to bow down or serve other gods.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2012,14:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 07 2012,14:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 07 2012,13:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 07 2012,07:35)Mike,How many theos do we need to believe in and know and serve for our eternal salvation according to scripture?Kathi,How many theos did your Lord Jesus Christ tell us to worship and serve as…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Oct. 08 2012,05:26)Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 08 2012,14:30)Quote (jammin @ Oct. 08 2012,19:09)tmay GOD open your heart and eyesJaminIf I am blind in my heart to God scriptures and can not see and understand Gods word ;then let God be my witness and yours, let him show who his really blind in his heart and mind.listen to this song…[Read more]

Ok BD, that's all nice and such but there are times to go away from the stone throwers. Jesus did this also. It's not my time to die. I am not judging, just distancing myself.Anyway, how would you know that an eternal son couldn't become flesh? You said that scriptures don't say that the Son is eternal. He is called YHWH in places which means…[Read more]

Well BD I think that I can kick someone out of the thread. I did make the thread and invited you and him to the thread and not the other way around so it is my thread. I believe that I have some control here especially when I'm being belittled and criticized over and over by someone that I invited. If I invited a couple of people over to my house…[Read more]

Hi Andrew,I am not interested in swaying you back to the trinity doctrine. I am interested in challenging your idea of what/who the literal Son of God is. Also, I am not Catholic like the person you were speaking with or like the people that you went to church with. I have sort of been down the road that you are traveling and have studied hard on…[Read more]

Mike,Please stop posting in this thread or I will just have to add another thread here in the debate section to discuss things with BD where you were never invited to. Invited guests should leave when asked to and I have asked you to leave this thread several posts ago, Mike.

BD,Correction, death only had mastery over Jesus because He made it possible by emptying Himself and becoming man and laying down His life, allowing death to have mastery. Before that He could not have died. Death had mastery because it was allowed to by Jesus.God the Father did not empty Himself and lay down His life for mankind. The Father did…[Read more]