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Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 6 months ago
Kerwin,Quote My point is that there is but one God and he is Jehovah. You can find plenty of places in Scripture where he is not referred to as “his God” or “your God” because it is clear the God being spoken of is Jehovah.True, but we define God in this verse differently and Jehovah differently.I see God in some contexts as meaning the highest…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 6 months ago
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 13 2012,17:31)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 13 2012,00:53)Kerwin,you said:Quote Even on the others I prefer to glean what I can from the underlying Ancient Greek and Hebrew languages in hopes understanding God's words. Even the Ancient Greek and Hebrew Scripture we have are probably not 100% reliable as the manuscripts differ on…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 6 months ago
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2012,16:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 13 2012,00:53)Kerwin,you said:Quote Even on the others I prefer to glean what I can from the underlying Ancient Greek and Hebrew languages in hopes understanding God's words. Even the Ancient Greek and Hebrew Scripture we have are probably not 100% reliable as the manuscripts differ on…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 7 months ago
Quote (jammin @ Oct. 12 2012,13:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 12 2012,16:33)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2012,00:26)Quote (jammin @ Oct. 12 2012,10:17)mike,dont forget you homework.give a version that says FORM OF HIS GOD in phil 2.6ill wait boyJammin,You choose to put much faith in translators. Why?jammin knows that the word 'his' is not in the text,…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 7 months ago
Kerwin,you said:Quote Even on the others I prefer to glean what I can from the underlying Ancient Greek and Hebrew languages in hopes understanding God's words. Even the Ancient Greek and Hebrew Scripture we have are probably not 100% reliable as the manuscripts differ on some points, but they are better than the English ones translated from…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 7 months ago
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2012,02:20)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 12 2012,11:33)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2012,00:26)Quote (jammin @ Oct. 12 2012,10:17)mike,dont forget you homework.give a version that says FORM OF HIS GOD in phil 2.6ill wait boyJammin,You choose to put much faith in translators. Why?jammin knows that the word 'his' is not in the text,…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The divider of Christians in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 7 months ago
Quote Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 12 2012,23:48)Mike,We do not need to know or believe in any theos aside from the Father and the Son for our eternal salvation.I don't believe in Moses although I believe the stories about Moses, the same with Deborah, etc. but I don't believe 'in' them as my theos for my eternal salvation. You are rewriting the gospel…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Biblical discussion – BD, LU, Mikeboll, ST in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 7 months ago
Bo,Yes, as far as I'm concerned. You and Mike can discuss if you like since he continues to post. Jesus walked away from the stone throwing too.

Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 7 months ago
Bo,Jesus' divinity is declared in places besides the book of John. The emphasis of John is the divinity of Christ. Each gospel writer has their own emphasis.The light of the gospel is hidden from the intellects of men, so yes, things were hidden that are revealed to those who have faith.
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 13 years, 7 months ago
t8Quote If you are saying that Jesus is YHWH because he is divine or has God's nature, then you are defining YHWH as meaning divine natureI am defining YHWH as meaning eternal nature…always existing. If the Son was always within the Father, then He too is eternal and YHWH as a name suits Him too as well as the Father even if the Father is the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The divider of Christians in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 7 months ago
Mike,We do not need to know or believe in any theos aside from the Father and the Son for our eternal salvation.I don't believe in Moses although I believe the stories about Moses, the same with Deborah, etc. but I don't believe 'in' them as my theos for my eternal salvation. You are rewriting the gospel if you insist on knowing the angels, Moses…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 7 months ago
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2012,00:26)Quote (jammin @ Oct. 12 2012,10:17)mike,dont forget you homework.give a version that says FORM OF HIS GOD in phil 2.6ill wait boyJammin,You choose to put much faith in translators. Why?jammin knows that the word 'his' is not in the text, Kerwin, so why are you getting on his case? Shouldn't you be getting on…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 7 months ago
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,12:37)Hi Mike,You notice how he refused to say “No” when I asked him the question of species.He knows that it doesn't sound right and he rejects the very wording he is describing.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2012,16:22)Quote (jammin @ Oct. 09 2012,13:33)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 09 2012,02:41)Hi Jammin,Rather than God being an…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Biblical discussion – BD, LU, Mikeboll, ST in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 7 months ago
Sorry, I have moved on…
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 7 months ago
Bo,Quote Why do none of these things make Moses a part of the Godhead, or equal to Jehovah……………. but if similar things are said about Jesus, those things DO make him “Jehovah Jr”, or equal to his own God? Jesus was not 'as' God but was God with God.Moses was 'as' God…a metaphor.John 1:1 does not say:In the beginning was the Word, and…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 7 months ago
Bo,Quote What's your take on Exodus 7:17? Exodus 7:17'Thus says the LORD, “By this you shall know that I am the LORD: behold, I will strike the water that is in the Nile with the staff that is in my hand, and it will be turned to blood.You need to read the whole story to realize the LORD is speaking metaphorically. Moses will be 'as' God to Aaron…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 7 months ago
BD,Quote God created Jesus by His Word not that Jesus was that word. Jesus was the Word that became flesh.So you agree that Jesus was the Word that became flesh, that's good. The scriptures say that Jesus, the Word, made all things and not one thing was made without Him. So you say something different, you say that all but many things was made…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 7 months ago
Bo,Read this and tell me if the 'Word' as per the Jewish understanding is, in some contexts, a presence of some sort or just always a spoken/written word.Quote Gen 3:88They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 13 years, 7 months ago
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 11 2012,06:23)LU, do you believe that God and the Lamb are 2 different beings as mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Or are they somehow both God according to your doctrine?t8-The Lamb/the Son/the only begotten God is a theosThe God/the Father is a theosTwo perfect beings/presences who are each a theos acting together as one most…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 13 years, 7 months ago
t8-You said:Quote The son came from the Father. Jesus said if you do not believe that I came from God then you don't believe Jesus testimony and you instead believe a lie and the Father of lies is the Devil. So what subtle lie does the Devil try to convince Eve and other weak vessels that give him an ear? Is it that Jesus is God, thereby denying…[Read more]
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