t8,Isn't the qualification of opening the scroll to actually be the one who was slain? Was the Father qualified to open the scroll, no…the Father was not slain. This does not make Him less God, or less powerful.

t8,I don't get the impression that anyone is missing out on who wrote the scroll. The point that I am making is that the Father cannot also be the Lamb as Dennison teaches and the fact that the Lamb is only qualified to open the scroll and not the Father demonstrates that they are not the same person.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 18 2012,00:51)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 17 2012,16:07)Young's Literal Translation: Rev 19:12and his eyes are as a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems — having a name written that no one hath known, except himselfSo than does that mean the “father” as you cliam doesn't know that name as well?Good point,…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 17 2012,17:07)To add LU:Οὐδεὶς (Oudeis)  The greek word used for “no one” or “no man” in the KJV.  Is used through the bible. Question:The same word is also used here:Young's Literal Translation: Rev 19:12and his eyes are as a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems — having a name written that no one hath k…[Read more]

Good answer jammin' The two are one, that's what Jesus said.John 10:30″I and the Father are one.”

So, in the Southern Hemisphere you have clockwise and anticlockwise but “anticlockwise” is not the equivalent to “counterclockwise?” Just for fun, Stu, tell me what direction the toilet water swirls as it is flushed down the toilet drain in NZ. It is clockwise at my house.

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 17 2012,01:59)Well, if you are referring to YHWH the Father, then choice 1 is what I believe. There is only one YHWH the Father.Now a question for you:How many beings are called YHWH in this verse:Gen 19:24 Then YHWH rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from YHWH out of the heavens. 1) one2) twoWhy don't you j…[Read more]

So, you are saying that there are two beings who are both named the one YHWH? Or are you saying that one YHWH rained down fire and brimstone from the one YHWH in heaven?Btw, if my answer is pathetic and I chose the same option as you, what does that make your answer?

I have no objections to that.

But how many different beings are called YHWH in that verse, t8?Your examples don't apply here.

t8,So how many beings were called YHWH? One or two in that verse?

T8,Do you not believe that YHWH in your option #1 is the Father?Please answer my question about Gen 19:24..

Hi Dennison,You're beliefs are now slowly coming back to me…:)Wasn't the Father in heaven when He held that scroll? Doesn't it say that “no one in heaven” could open the scroll except the Lamb?Rev 5:1Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2And I saw a mighty…[Read more]

Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 16 2012,16:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 16 2012,13:45)Andrew,I never saw the Nicene creed as making three Gods to be one. I don't think that the Nicene Creed specifically mentions that. I really don't see a difference between those Arian confessions and the Nicene creed. Why do you like the confession if it says that the Son…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 16 2012,13:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 14 2012,14:43)Pierre seemed to say that Jesus never received worship as a theos but only as in the sense of 'honor' and I totally disagree.Disagree all you want, but you can't PROVE that anyone EVER “worshipped” Jesus with the worship due a diety.This is from your imagination, and not…[Read more]

Hi Charles,The Father is not also the Son otherwise He could have opened the seals on the scroll of Rev 5. Only the Son could open the seals, not even the Father. The Father did not become the kinsman redeemer who had to be human. The Son became human and was the second Adam. The second Adam redeemed what the first Adam lost.

Quote (jammin @ Oct. 15 2012,23:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 16 2012,12:27)Pierre,jammin is not saying that the two who are both God natured are only one person. One is not the other. The Father is not the Son and visa versa.  Also, regarding the Jews and Gentiles that are believers, they make up ONE new man (singular), neither Jew nor Gentile.Eph…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 15 2012,21:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 16 2012,07:27)Pierre,jammin is not saying that the two who are both God natured are only one person. One is not the other. The Father is not the Son and visa versa.  Also, regarding the Jews and Gentiles that are believers, they make up ONE new man (singular), neither Jew nor…[Read more]

Hi Dennison, Good to see you!

Yeah, we agree on something