Mike,

You said YOU say that Jesus is the one who actually did the creative work.

The Father created through Jesus. The Father provided the vision and anything needed (whatever that would have been) and the Son took what He was given and brought the vision into reality, as I understand it. So neither person created independently of the other, both…[Read more]

Look at Heb 2:9 in the interlinear and you will see that David was talking about the “angelous” (strongs #32) often translated as angels but not translated as “gods.”

Mike, Off the top of my head, Hebrews 1 and 2 has reference to this and I have always understood that as angels. I do not agree that all spirit sons of God are considered as, and explicitly called gods in scripture.

The only begotten God is also The only begotten Son. He is not in the category of the other “sons of God.” It is possible that the other sons of God that were made through Jesus are considered gods in some sense. From what I remember, the word “elohim” has more than one definition which could include supernatural beings like angels. I don’t have…[Read more]

Mike,

I will address this one: WHY is Moses under the impression that our Creator is the Father – a single male entity?

The Arm/Word of the LORD “Jesus” was not revealed yet as Jesus. The Father created and acted upon creation through Jesus, His “arm/Word.”

Gene, you are taking the branch from one story and placing it into a completely different story. Stay in context and you will see that the vine is distinct from the branches. The vine supplies the branches so they can bear fruit. If they, someone other than the vine, does not bear fruit, it gets cut off and burnt. Jesus is the vine that supplies…[Read more]

Mike,

I just have a tiny amount of time to spend here due to my college work and family time. I might have more time for a dedicated thread after the semester, middle of May. I would be willing to consider it then. For now, there are too many questions to give attention to. Can you give me just one in the next few minutes and hopefully I can take…[Read more]

Mike,

You said: The only one I know who believes that God is a unity of Yahweh the Father and “Yahweh the Son” (but NOT a “Yahweh the Spirit” third person) is you.

I include the Spirit too, as the united “inner person.” It’s just a matter of semantics.

Mike, I’m just asking for you to show us all one time that I demanded an apology, just one, no need to go from page to page unless of course you can’t find any, in that case you can acknowledge that. Shouldn’t be hard for you to acknowledge if indeed you can’t come up with even one.

Actually, there are others who are called Yahweh.

Yes there are, the Father, the Son and the Spirit.

Gene,

You said: There exists, no vine NOR HUMAN, that did not come from another (branch) exactly like it,  and there exist no branch , that did not come from another vine exactly like it also, they “ALL”, come from one planting,  of “ONE”,  God.  JESUS is a human being , a HUMAN,  FROM HUMANITY,  FROM “ONE”,  GOD, as we “ALL” are.

You mi…[Read more]

Gene,

Reposted:

Hi Gene,

Do you know who said these words and to whom?

“…keep My commandments…?”

Gene,

Reposted:

Gene, do you know who said this and to whom:  “apart from Me you can do nothing”?

Why would a person who’s named “Jesus” be a “Co-Yahweh”?

Because two persons are called Yahweh and they are ONE.

Mike said:

But just so I don’t have to see a bunch of posts from you demanding that I show you where you said those exact words and demanding more apologies, I thought it wise to spell this obvious fact out for you.

Like I said…where did I demand even one apology?

Gene,

You asked:

Matt 23:9………”Call no man your Father, upon the earth; for “ONE” is you Father, which is in heaven.

Jesus said those words  not me, but the question is, do you “truly”, believe him LU?

Yes, I believe that and I believe that He is my Father through Jesus who is the only begotten God. Do you believe that, Gene?

Gene,

You said: Paul was saying that to the brethren in Eph 6v23.  In your last post,  Paul representing both God the Father “and” Jesus , but not as the same person.  As your trying to do. I do believe you know what the word (and) means right, it means two different persons, like Joe and Mike . The are not the same .

That comment is worris…[Read more]

Mike said: “You said ‘X’ in another thread, and you need to take it back and apologize before I address your posts that actually have to do with what we’re supposed to be discussing here”.  *

I never demanded an apology from Mike, I just wanted him to prove his accusations with facts, not opinions and if he could not, then he needed to acknowle…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

You can see that you are on my mind on this Friday afternoon :).

Read this:

Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Is the lord Jesus Christ part of the “brethren” in that verse or one of the Ones who give peace, love, and faith to the brethren?

The brethen receive peace…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

Read this: “I am the vine, you are the branches;” is the speaker making it sound like there are two categories, one more dependent than the other? If so, which one is more dependent, the vine or the branches?

You always finish your post with wishing us peace and love. The way to peace and love is by being of the same mind…whose mind…[Read more]