Hi Bo,I do believe that Jesus is a true God since like begets like, not like begets less than like. I believe that He is Lord…the Lord of lords that YHWH is. I do not believe that He is the ruler or master over the Father.In the context of John 17:2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you…[Read more]

t8,you said:Quote God is YHWH combined, an eternal unity of YHWH the Father-our one God, YHWH the Son-our one Lord together with their united Spirit in one eternal unity. So God is the Father and God is the combination of the Father and Son, but God is not the Son because he is Lord.YHWH our God is YHWH Echad, an eternal unity of YHWH the…[Read more]

t8,you said this and it is that which I proved wrong:Quote You never refer to a group of beings, 2+ as HIM.Is a nation a group of beings?Yes or No?In this verse, is the word 'his' a pronoun that has as its antecedent a group of beings?Yes of No?Let Israel be glad in his Maker; Let the sons of Zion rejoice in their Kingt8, you are trying too hard…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,02:44)Actually I thought of a better username for you Mike.Me T8You K9.What about it?Ok, that made me laugh!

The verse isn't meant to teach who YHWH is, Mike.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2012,21:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,20:45)Mike,I think this sums things up to show that Jesus is making Himself out to be the Son of God and therefore God with the Father:I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself……………I enjoy your sense of humor, Kathi.  What God does, Jesus does.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2012,18:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,06:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 28 2012,20:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 27 2012,23:39)If the Father is the only true God, as you claim, the Son is the only true ____.Please fill in the blank, thanks!“Son, Servant, Messiah, Prophet, and Lamb OF God”.Thanks Mike,Do you think that…[Read more]

I didn't say that He was making Himself out to be God 'the Father' but as Boditharta has enough sense to say, if Jesus is a literal son of God, that would make Him the same type as the Father…the God type. God the Father beget God the Son. Like begets like. Very God of very God. Light of Light.

Mike,Quote Jesus is never said to have been created?  I take it that you no longer consider “wisdom” in Provebs 8 to be speaking about Jesus then?Wisdom wasn't created, it was brought forth.Quote It seems we BOTH agree that God the Father is from eternityYou agree that God the Father is from eternity, then so is the Son. Apart from there being an…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2012,21:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,20:08)4There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.Are WE not the “one body”, Kathi?  Are WE then included in this “Divine…[Read more]

Mike,I think this sums things up to show that Jesus is making Himself out to be the Son of God and therefore God with the Father:John 5“I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he d…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:53)Kathi there are more than 2 powers in Heaven.The ultimate power is the Father. He has made Jesus both Lord and Christ, thus the highest power under him.We then likely have angels and Michael is likely the highest power in the angelic realm.We also have 24 elders who we are not sure who they are. Some have suggested…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Are eternal beings ever said to have been “born”? Yes…Jesus.Quote How about “begotten”? Yes…Jesus.Quote “Created”? No…Jesus is not said to be created.Quote “Brought forth as the first of someone else's works”? Yes, begotten, same thing…Wisdom.Quote Are they ever said to be “sons”? Yes…the only begotten God, the only begotten…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 01 2012,18:57)I'm still waiting for the scripture that says God was “eternally a Father”.Mike,You have to use your reasoning skills with verses like where both are called 'the First and the Last.' Also, you will not find a verse that says “today I have become your Father” technically. Some translations translate the Psalms…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:21)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 02 2012,00:08)Paul of Tarsus: For us there is one God the Father.Kathi of America: For me there is one God the Father + Son/KJ of America: For me there is one God the Father, Son, SpiritKathi. Whom shall I believe. Kathi of America, KJ of America, or Paul of Tarsus.Would appreciate an answer…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:19)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:31)t8, the scripture doesn't say Jesus became a son that day, it just says He was begotten/brought forth that day. Were your sons you 'son' before they were born/begotten? Weren't they sons already for months before they were actually born?“I will surely tell of the decree of the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 01 2012,16:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 02 2012,00:55)t8,I do not believe that YHWH is defined as a substance or essence. It seems to be more about an eternal existence.Got it. I realise you differ here with the Triune Group.So you say that God is the Father and the combination of the Father and son. But God is not the son because…[Read more]

Mike,Here is a verse, 'gods':Gal 4:6 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods.That is good that you answered jammin.I have said all I'm going to say about John 1:18 in this regard. It really seems pointless.

Hi William, I believe the Son has an eternal existence and has the same essence as the Father who also has an eternal existence. So, I wouldn't say the Son IS the essence but HAS the essence of the Father. The Father and Son have eternal existence which makes them both YHWH and together with their Spirit, makes them one eternal unity, in other…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2012,13:21)Pierre, t8, Mike,To understand the first century Jew and how they saw YHWH as two powers watch this fourth video from here:http://www.gracebellingham.org/index.p….emid=41Pierre, please watch that video and then I will pin point what you asked for. The video will help you understand what I will show you.…[Read more]