Quote (t8 @ Nov. 07 2012,02:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 07 2012,19:37)Definition of PROTOTYPE1: an original model on which something is patterned : archetypeExactly. The first. The original. All the others are based on it.“All others” hmmm. There is only one begotten God, t8.John 1:18No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2012,18:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 04 2012,16:16)In a husband/wife relationship the husband is the head of the wife but yet they are one and yet they are equal.Do you disagree with this statement?Kathi, ALL beings are equal in some ways.  This is not a good analogy to support your point.Humans and God are equal in that…[Read more]

t8,Believe what you want.For me there is the YHWH Echad, the eternal unity…one God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.

Pierre,I already answered you. He is not a creation, He is the one, together with the Father, that created creation.

I already answered your questions I am done with the topic as I stated before.

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 06 2012,20:51)Well let's see LU.Bearing in mind that scripture calls men/judges, angels, theos”, then you could answer this question yourself. If we take both thrones, those that are seated are the Father, Son, and Sons. Therefore all are theos if we use that word in the scriptural sense that it is applied in scripture.But if your…[Read more]

t8,The first of a kind is the prototype. The next would be a reproduction, not a prototype.Definition of PROTOTYPE1: an original model on which something is patterned : archetype2: an individual that exhibits the essential features of a later type3: a standard or typical example4: a first full-scale and usually functional form of a new type or…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2012,21:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,21:11)Is Jesus the Lord of YOUR life?Jesus is one of my Lords, yes.  My God Jehovah MADE him my Lord.  But unlike you, I don't confuse this Lord with the LORD who MADE him Lord and Christ.Mike,And just when did God make Him Lord?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2012,21:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 01 2012,21:08)……….if Jesus is a literal son of God, that would make Him the same type as the Father…the God type.Yet in the other thread, although you and jammin also DESCRIBE “God” as a SPECIES in Phil 2:6, you both DENY and REJECT the word “species”?Why?  You're clearly…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 07 2012,00:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 03 2012,10:18)Philippians 2:10That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth, 11And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father.Reminder: the first commandment.Next…[Read more]

Bo,you said about vs. 1, 2 and 3:Quote This could not pertain to Jesus he was WILDLY popular and everyone was drawn to him, in-fact it was one of the reasons the authorities wanted to kill him and charged him with sedition.Vs. 2 speaks about appearance. He was not popular because of His looks and physique but because of His love, wisdom and…[Read more]

Two powers of YHWH does not break the commandment. This was a common understanding amongst the Jews of the first century according to the canonical literature as well as the non-canonical literature.If there is one power with another that is the exact representation of the first, then we have two powers that are equal. This is not hard.

So t8,You admit that there are two that are called theos who share the throne of the Father…Now answer the next question which I will ask for the second time:How can an exact reproduction of something be a prototype?

Hi Wakeup, This thread is a private conversation between t8 and myself. There are a number of other threads that you can comment in that are open to everyone. Thanks for respecting that.

There is mention of it right here:Isaiah 53 The Suffering Servant1Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?2For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor…[Read more]

Bo,Please read:Acts 26:12“While so engaged as I was journeying to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests, 13at midday, O King, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining all around me and those who were journeying with me. 14“And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me…[Read more]

2 Tim 313But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation…[Read more]

Quote He is theos in the sense that angels and men can be theos. Of course much more than us because he is so much better than the angels and among the sons, he is the prototype. Nevertheless, my point is that he is not the Most High and Only True Theos.I didn't ask how many Most High and only True theos were seated on the Father's throne. I…[Read more]

All are invited to discuss this topic but you must watch all four videos and then discuss the videos, not insult members here (sad that I have to add the last part but as you can read the earlier posts of t8, the moderator no less, and terraricca on this thread-unfortunately I do). Here is how 'elohim' is translated in Psalms 82:1New International…[Read more]

Furthermore, Bo, Jesus did not, at any time, claim or give the Father any glory for sparing Him the death of the cross after the crucifixion and resurrection. He has let people believe and write that He did in fact die and rise again…that He purchased the church with HIS blood. Wouldn't that be dishonorable of Him and an abomination to lie at…[Read more]