2beseeQuote you workers of lawlessness.’Could the workers of lawlessness be those who did not love their neighbor as themselves? Wouldn't that be lawlessness if that is the summation of the whole law? 13For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 1…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,23:24)Mike and t8,Quote Even being equal to something infers that you are not that thing you are equal.We are not saying that both are 'A' but that there is 'A' + 'B' +' C' = 'A,B,C' unity. We understand that YHWH is a unity of the Father, Son together with their Holy Spirit and you do not accept that. This is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2012,23:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,22:35)An eternal Father would presume the eternal existence of a Son or there would be no eternal 'Father.'What was that scripture again that speaks of the “eternal Father”?They are both the 'First and the Last.' There is no other possibility than both being eternal, thus there…[Read more]

Jesus' God was not His creator, so Jesus' God is not your God because your God was Jesus' creator. He can't be both The creator of Jesus and not the creator of Jesus before the ages, Mike.

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 10 2012,03:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 10 2012,17:46)The Godhead of Kathi is the God of Jesus and Jesus…together with their Spirit…the YHWH Echad, the eternal unity. I have made this clear on many occasions and in my signature.Your God however, is not the God of Jesus. The God of Jesus was His Father, not His creator.There you…[Read more]

Quote Please do not give me the Thomas declaration. As I have said before because it has a double definite article, Thomas could well have been referring to Jesus and then the Father as ultimately that is where all praise goes to. Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them,…[Read more]

Hebrews 1:8http://interlinearbible.org/hebrews/1-8.htmEnglish Standard Version (©2001)But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

An eternal Father would presume the eternal existence of a Son or there would be no eternal 'Father.' It is typical for a Son to exist within His parent before being begotten/brought forth.

Mike and t8,Quote Even being equal to something infers that you are not that thing you are equal.We are not saying that both are 'A' but that there is 'A' + 'B' +' C' = 'A,B,C' unity. We understand that YHWH is a unity of the Father, Son together with their Holy Spirit and you do not accept that. This is the difference.How many persons that have…[Read more]

t8,How many persons who have been called 'the theos' anywhere in the Bible do we need to know, to believe in, and to serve to gain eternal life?

Quote So I and the disciples and Jesus all have the same God.No, you don't have the same God as the disciples and Jesus had. Jesus' God was His Father not His creator. You believe that Jesus' God was His creator. I agree with Jesus and also have Jesus. Didn't you tell me that we need to believe in two theos for our eternal salvation?

The Godhead of Kathi is the God of Jesus and Jesus…together with their Spirit…the YHWH Echad, the eternal unity. I have made this clear on many occasions and in my signature.Your God however, is not the God of Jesus. The God of Jesus was His Father, not His creator.

Mike,Quote You and I and Kathi all agree that the God of Jesus is the Father.Paul and I agree that the God of Jesus is His Father but you believe the God of Jesus is His creator. There lies a big difference. Where is it that Jesus called God 'His creator?'

Bo, So we decide whether we believe the Bible or not…whether Jesus suffered and died and rose again and thus paid the price for our sins, or He didn't. I don't see why this would be a difficult choice. I believe that it was a most loving sacrifice that was made for all who will accept it and we can stand atoned, once for all…grateful for ever…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2012,20:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,20:33)Like I said, Jesus did not believe in a God that created Him like you two. His God was His Father.What?  Jesus is the one who plainly said he was the beginning of the creation by God.Where is your SCRIPTURAL support that “Jesus did not believe in a God that created…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,16:40)Kathi – I'm impressed with you steadfast perseverence and accurate handling of scripture in the face some quite spiteful opposition from the henotheists and their variants.Nice one.Gracias Paul! I'm so glad you are back…don't let them steal your joy!!

t8,Quote Do you understand that. I mean really Kathi. We are genuinely interested in the truth. Do you honestly think that at some point we are going to say, “wow you are right” given your evidence to date.I have shown you many reasons…for instance:Jesus is the First and the Last.The Word of YHWH was equal to YHWH in the minds of the OT Jews.Two…[Read more]

How many persons that have ever been called 'the theos' do we need to know, believe in and serve in order to have eternal life, t8?

Ed, There is one God, the only Son who explains God the Father.

t8,Define spirit in this context “God is spirit.”Then define spirit in this context, “He gives His spirit to beings and that spirit, if not remaining, returns to God.”