Quote (t8 @ Dec. 06 2012,03:41)Jesus has a God and that God is my God.And all the Trinitarians said: “Same with us, BUT, Jesus is the one true God too”.And what does “yes, but” really mean?t8,Even the Jews knew that the 'The Son of God' was equal to God. That is why they were saying that He was blaspheming and attempting to stone Him.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:17)These were from a post you overlooked:1.  Well Kathi?  WERE the original disciples of Jesus Christians or not?2.  And DO you worship “God Almighty the Servant of God Almighty” along with worshiping “God Almighty the Master of God Almighty the Servant of God Almighty”?Mike,1. Yes, the disciples of Jesus we…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:58)Mike,I have the NT to show that Jesus is the Lord of lords and our one Lord with the Father who is our one God.  According to your logic, the Son could be alone the God of gods and the Lord of lords. 1 Cor 8:6 confirms that there are two who are meant, and they are…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:55)All you have 'painstakingly' explained is that being one in them is the same as being one with them. However in the post that I quoted you said that disciples are not one 'in' them.Is Jesus one “IN” the Father?  Or is he one “WITH” the Father?Both…and eternally!! They…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,17:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:37)Do you deny that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent are one? Yes or No?Yes.  Now what?  Mike,Are you asking me or your conscious?You.  I was assuming you were ab…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:47)Where does Pharaoh call Moses 'a god?'  It was JEHOVAH who said he would make Moses a god to Pharaoh.  I was pointing out that, FROM PHARAOH'S VANTAGE POINT AND RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, seeing the signs and wonders “Moses” did, he most likely DID consider Moses to be a god.  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,19:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:38)I understand that demons are false gods.Where in scripture are they called “false” gods?What does it matter if the words are used specifically? If you believe they are true Gods then you have a dilemma on your hands don't you?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,19:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:38)Mike,Do you have something that clearly says demons are fallen angels? Do you have something that clearly says Beelzebub is satan?How about this passage?Mark 3 22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince o…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2012,05:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2012,16:45)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 26 2012,19:56)What 3 scriptures. Please post them in one post.I haven't got time for hunting right now.t8,The three scriptures that I have already shown you are:Heb 1:8But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness i…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,17:04)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 17 2012,05:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2012,10:26)t8-Where does scripture say that the judges were theos?Where have men been called theos?Where are angels called theos?FatherEphesians 1:3 Praise be to the God (theos) and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly…[Read more]

Another good post William! Thank you!!

Mike,Quote BINGO! Now, you must admit that you have NOTHING except for your own, personal desires that cause you to think Deuteronomy 10:17 speaks of TWO. You must admit, that since the Father alone IS a Lord over other lords, 10:17 could very well be speaking of ONLY the Father – calling ONLY HIM “the God of gods and the Lord of lords”.I have…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,15:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2012,22:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:43)Is the church not one in the Father and the Son?The words are “one WITH”, not “one IN”.  Try it with the right words.Mike,Where specifically does it say that the church is one 'with' the Father and the Son but can't mean one 'in' the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,17:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:37)Do you deny that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent are one? Yes or No?Yes.  Now what?  Mike,Are you asking me or your conscious?

Mike,you said:Quote I believe Jehovah made Moses a god from Pharaoh's viewpoint, complete with his own prophet Aaron. The signs and wonders Moses and Aaron performed were nothing less then acts of a god – from the understanding of Pharaoh and his pagan priests and magicians.Where does Pharaoh call Moses 'a god?'Quote Now WE all know it was…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,13:55)I don't believe they, the created angel beings, are called elohim or theos.I haven't yet watched the video you linked about the divine council.  But if you are going to believe in a separate species of being in heaven, who are not angels – will you say that they are…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,13:55)What I do not see are angels called theos in the NT. If they are gods somewhere in the OT why aren't they 'gods' in the NT? I don't believe they, the created angel beings, are called elohim or theos.Deuteronomy 32:17 NIV © They sacrificed to demons, which are not…[Read more]

I agree, good posts Wm!I would like to add a few crackpot doctrines…#1 Jesus did not create anything.#2 Jesus was not worshiped by His disciples.#3 The God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent are not one.The truth:#1-John 1:3 All things were made through him (the Word), and without him (the Word) was not any thing made that…[Read more]

Merry Christmas Kejonn!You don't believe in God but God believes in you.

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 01 2012,12:28)Mikeyou saved me a lot of trouble by taking on Kathi, i knew it would end up this way ,but not wasted as I can see going trough all the discussions you made ,for that I am thankfull to you ,it was more than educational,it was refreshing,Don't flatter yourself Terricca. I had some good advice recently and have…[Read more]