Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,20:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,21:29)The disciples are not one with them as YHWH but one with them as the church.I'm glad you've acknowledge that the disciples will be one with Jesus and his God.I'm not sure where you're coming up with the different meanings of “one with” though.  What scriptural words in…[Read more]

Mike,This is very good…you said:Quote I do admit that the God of gods sent the Lord of lords into the world.Now, do you admit that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent, are one?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,20:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,21:21)Being the Son of God equates Him with God the Father in nature and attributes. And how about being the SERVANT of God?  Does that also “equate” him with the God he serves?Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,21:21)My point previously was that Jesus doesn't call Himself His…[Read more]

Mike,cont'd:Quote Jehovah made Moses a god to Aaron, and Aaron his prophet. A human being was called god.And, since Moses was the first judge Israel ever had, a judge was called god.YHWH made Moses AS God to Aaron, YHWH did not make Moses a god to Aaron. Moses was metaphorically like God, not literally.

Do you consider yourself a Christian, t8? Do you consider those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God and one with the Father, together with the Holy Spirit, as non-Christians?

Mike,more of your questions:Quote Kathi, there are many other scriptures I could keep going through, but your determination seems evident. You are NOT going to be “wrong” on this one, no matter what scripture I show you. So here we go:Manoah, knowing full well that he had just been visited by an ANGEL OF God, said he had seen “elohim”. An angel…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 27 2012,21:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,22:24)Mike,Exodus 21:6then his master shall bring him to God,In what way do you suppose the master was to bring the slave “to God”?  Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,22:24) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)To whom do you suppose Jesus referred using the word “gods”  in John 10:34-35?  …[Read more]

Mike,For more on Psalm 82, go to this site and click on 'Jesus, John 10 and Psalm 82:'http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2012,21:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 25 2012,12:29) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)1.  Judges 5:8 NASB ©”New gods were chosen; Then war was in the gates. Not a shield or a spear was seen Among forty thousand in Israel.The new gods were Deborah and Barak.The new 'gods' were not Deborah and Barak. Try again.As curious as I am to k…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2012,20:46)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 25 2012,12:06)I answered you with 1 Cor 8:6 which prohibits Deuteronomy 10:17 from calling the Father ALONE 'the God of gods and Lord of lords.”Um……… no………….. it actually DOESN'T prohibit anything of the sort.  Here, I'll prove it to you:Kathi, is the Father a God of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2012,20:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 25 2012,11:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 16 2012,22:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2012,19:42)Where doe it say that some of us will also be one 'with' them?John 17:21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2012,20:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 25 2012,11:49)Are you going to act like you don't know that the Son sits on the same throne with His Father and that all glory, honor, dominion and praise is directed towards both the Father and the Son?Are YOU going to act like the Son was on that throne in Rev 5:13?     Kathi, the F…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 26 2012,20:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,07:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2012,15:26)t8-Where does scripture say that the judges were theos?Where have men been called theos?Where are angels called theos?I asked t8 this question in the quoted post and did not get an answer but scripture that do not specifically say that judges…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 26 2012,19:56)What 3 scriptures. Please post them in one post.I haven't got time for hunting right now.t8,The three scriptures that I have already shown you are:Heb 1:8But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.For the Greek article, s…[Read more]

Gene,The only begotten Son, firstborn over all creation, through which creation came and who has the title 'the First and the Last' would have been eternally existent within the Father and begotten from the Father before all things in heaven and on earth came into being.Like the Jews of the first century understood, Jesus was saying God was His…[Read more]

Well, t8, the 'YHWH Echad' is what I have been calling it and you know this so why do you pretend that you don't? A married couple is two persons but you don't call a married couple a binity. Why must a unity of two persons be called a binity when speaking of God? Do you attach a numeral to every unity? If not, then why do you all of the sudden do…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 25 2012,23:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2012,15:30)No David, I am not a 'Binite.'Now that I said that I am not a 'Binite' and don't believe in a binity, you probably, being a smart type of guy would not call what I believe as binity, right?  Just checking…lU, I've never looked up the word.  Frankly, I'm too busy with t…[Read more]

No David, I am not a 'Binite.'Now that I said that I am not a 'Binite' and don't believe in a binity, you probably, being a smart type of guy would not call what I believe as binity, right? Just checking…

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 25 2012,18:11)Quote (david @ Nov. 26 2012,11:04)I suggest we invite lighten up into our inner circle, because she seems to have complimented me in this post.Definitely, if we convert to the Binity.Would certainly be a requirement that a person believed in one God the Father as stated in scripture. Jesus as the son of that God, who…[Read more]

Well good then AWHN, we both see the Father and the Son as YHVH. See my signature at the bottom of this post. Did you say that the Holy Spirit is a person called YHVH also?