Quote (t8 @ Dec. 06 2012,14:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2012,03:45)Regarding satan…please define 'world' for me. Wouldn't that mean all people? Isn't all people summed up in all Jews and Gentiles? The Bible tells us that God, not satan, is the God of both the Jews and the Gentiles.Kathi. Satan is the god of this world.He is the god of this…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 06 2012,14:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2012,03:45)You claim that John 10 is quoting Psalm 82 and you are correct but Psalm 82 does not say that God is speaking to men anywhere in the verse you quoted as a proof that men are called theos or even elohim. I realize that some teach this but literally, it does not clearly teach this.…[Read more]

John Gill's opening paragraph:The eternal Sonship of Christ, or that he is the Son of God by eternal generation, or that he was the Son of God before he was the son of Mary, even from all eternity, which is denied by the Socinians, and others akin to them, was known by the saints under the Old Testament; by David (Ps. 2:7, 12); by Solomon (Prov.…[Read more]

Quote So was the idea of forgiveness planned before the man was tempted? If So what is the function of the messiah?Yes. The Messiah was the intended one through whom forgiveness that leads to eternal life would come.Quote I believe the Messiah leads men to forgiveness and repentence. Were men able to be forgiven before the messiah came?The Spirit…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 06 2012,03:41)Jesus has a God and that God is my God.And all the Trinitarians said: “Same with us, BUT, Jesus is the one true God too”.And what does “yes, but” really mean?t8,Even the Jews knew that the 'The Son of God' was equal to God. That is why they were saying that He was blaspheming and attempting to stone Him.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:17)These were from a post you overlooked:1.  Well Kathi?  WERE the original disciples of Jesus Christians or not?2.  And DO you worship “God Almighty the Servant of God Almighty” along with worshiping “God Almighty the Master of God Almighty the Servant of God Almighty”?Mike,1. Yes, the disciples of Jesus we…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:58)Mike,I have the NT to show that Jesus is the Lord of lords and our one Lord with the Father who is our one God.  According to your logic, the Son could be alone the God of gods and the Lord of lords. 1 Cor 8:6 confirms that there are two who are meant, and they are…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:55)All you have 'painstakingly' explained is that being one in them is the same as being one with them. However in the post that I quoted you said that disciples are not one 'in' them.Is Jesus one “IN” the Father?  Or is he one “WITH” the Father?Both…and eternally!! They…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,17:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:37)Do you deny that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent are one? Yes or No?Yes.  Now what?  Mike,Are you asking me or your conscious?You.  I was assuming you were ab…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:47)Where does Pharaoh call Moses 'a god?'  It was JEHOVAH who said he would make Moses a god to Pharaoh.  I was pointing out that, FROM PHARAOH'S VANTAGE POINT AND RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, seeing the signs and wonders “Moses” did, he most likely DID consider Moses to be a god.  …[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,19:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:38)I understand that demons are false gods.Where in scripture are they called “false” gods?What does it matter if the words are used specifically? If you believe they are true Gods then you have a dilemma on your hands don't you?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,19:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:38)Mike,Do you have something that clearly says demons are fallen angels? Do you have something that clearly says Beelzebub is satan?How about this passage?Mark 3 22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince o…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2012,05:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2012,16:45)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 26 2012,19:56)What 3 scriptures. Please post them in one post.I haven't got time for hunting right now.t8,The three scriptures that I have already shown you are:Heb 1:8But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness i…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,17:04)Quote (t8 @ Nov. 17 2012,05:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2012,10:26)t8-Where does scripture say that the judges were theos?Where have men been called theos?Where are angels called theos?FatherEphesians 1:3 Praise be to the God (theos) and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly…[Read more]

Another good post William! Thank you!!

Mike,Quote BINGO! Now, you must admit that you have NOTHING except for your own, personal desires that cause you to think Deuteronomy 10:17 speaks of TWO. You must admit, that since the Father alone IS a Lord over other lords, 10:17 could very well be speaking of ONLY the Father – calling ONLY HIM “the God of gods and the Lord of lords”.I have…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,15:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 30 2012,22:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:43)Is the church not one in the Father and the Son?The words are “one WITH”, not “one IN”.  Try it with the right words.Mike,Where specifically does it say that the church is one 'with' the Father and the Son but can't mean one 'in' the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,17:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:37)Do you deny that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent are one? Yes or No?Yes.  Now what?  Mike,Are you asking me or your conscious?

Mike,you said:Quote I believe Jehovah made Moses a god from Pharaoh's viewpoint, complete with his own prophet Aaron. The signs and wonders Moses and Aaron performed were nothing less then acts of a god – from the understanding of Pharaoh and his pagan priests and magicians.Where does Pharaoh call Moses 'a god?'Quote Now WE all know it was…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,16:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,13:55)I don't believe they, the created angel beings, are called elohim or theos.I haven't yet watched the video you linked about the divine council.  But if you are going to believe in a separate species of being in heaven, who are not angels – will you say that they are…[Read more]