Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2012,16:01)LU, let's be clear about something.The reason you and KJ have the view that YHWH is the God of this wicked world is because if it was Satan as most already know, you both would then have to concede to the true meaning of the word 'theos' and thus it would threaten your whole case about Jesus being the Most High…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2012,15:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2012,23:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 07 2012,23:49)Jesus himself told us that his God is also our God, and Jesus didn't worship any “echad unity” thing, I see no reason for me to worship an “echad unity” thing.You and Jesus do not have the same God, Mike.Sure we do. Malachi 2:10Have…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2012,15:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2012,03:15)t8,you said:Quote And he is the prototype son and are we not sons of God.He, Jesus, is eternal, we are not. Here lies the difference between being the only begotten/not created son who is God by nature and attributes and being the created son who is not God by nature and…[Read more]

t8,Please answer this:God needs to use satan to blind the minds of people. Yes or NoGod can blind the minds of people Himself. Yes or NoGod desires men to come to belief in Him through their intellect more so than their faith. Yes or NoGod desires men to come to belief in Him through faith. Yes or No

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2012,18:10)i have no objection to go for new one and better ;but I would like to see if possible to have a section to be limited to certain members to discuss deeper truth and not be overwhelmed by elementary or religious  comments ,but yet can be viewed by all ,this is all of my 3 centsPierre,Why don't you consider…[Read more]

I vote for #2.

t8,you said:Quote And he is the prototype son and are we not sons of God.He, Jesus, is eternal, we are not. Here lies the difference between being the only begotten/not created son who is God by nature and attributes and being the created son who is not God by nature and attributes.

t8,I couldn't have said it better than Clarke's commentary on the verse. I realize that your opinion that satan is here meant is a popular opinion, but to think that KJ and myself are the only two who think it is God Almighty meant here is really an opinion that needs enlightenment. Here is Clarke's commentary on the matter:Clarke's Commentary on…[Read more]

MIKE…We have been over and over with this verse. I have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the verse is about the name that was given Him, not about the people. Remember the pronoun 'which' is singular and neuter the same as 'name'…unlike the 'them' which is plural and masculine.If the Greeks didn't substitute the name YHWH for LORD, this…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2012,23:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2012,10:32)Oh wow…that would make three individual dogs who are united as one.  What a concept!? How can more than one person be a unity if one member is in authority of the others? Maybe call yourselves the dog unity…go figure. Do you see how there can be more than one dog in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 07 2012,23:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2012,22:32)Now all you have to do is realize that each member of the God unity is a God with one member in authority of the other member and yet equal in nature and attributes.Jesus and I worship the same one God – the One in authority.And since Jesus himself told us that his God is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 07 2012,17:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2012,11:40)Nope…he is considered a ruler, but not 'the god.'Okay, let me get this straight.You are saying that YHWH is the God of this age even though we are told not to love this age, and Satan is the ruler of this age.So that means that God has made Satan one of the rulers of God's…[Read more]

*luffing LOL#hewholuffslastluffsloudest

Oh wow…that would make three individual dogs who are united as one.  What a concept!? How can more than one person be a unity if one member is in authority of the others? Maybe call yourselves the dog unity…go figure. Do you see how there can be more than one dog in a dog unity? And one dog (t8) is higher in authority to the others? And how…[Read more]

t8 said,Quote Perhaps now you can stop trying to lay another foundation…I haven't laid 'another foundation,' t8. The foundation I agree with happens to be what has been established already in the first century. I sure don't read the stuff you have been claiming lately about Jesus being theos because He was a member of a council of theos and got…[Read more]

t8 said:Quote That is the truth that the Church is built on. That Jesus is the son of God and the Messiah.The early church worshiped Jesus as the only begotten God, the Son of God from the unbegotten God and believed in His eternal existence. Get to know your early church history.

t8,Where have I ever said that the Father and the Son are the same 'being?' I said they are two unique persons with the same nature and attributes, one as the Father of the other and both united and eternal as one 'corporate' God while each is God (not in the corporate sense but individual sense) because of their eternal nature and attributes.t8…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Thanks for reading the document and giving some input! I don't get the phrase 'eternally begotten.' I understand it better as 'begotten during eternity' and before that He was eternally within the Father. I think that I read something on the document that I thought was more inline with what I think. I will have to look again for…[Read more]

Bo,you asked:Quote Dd God take away the sinsof anyone before Jesus was born?Yes.

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 09 2012,23:55)Hi all,I much prefer the idea of having a discussion rather than a debate…it just has more of a spirit of seeking truth instead of seeking a winner.I invite BD, if interested, to continue our discussion here (from this thread: ( https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=4322 ) about the sonship and single/dual…[Read more]