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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,18:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,07:35)Mike,Moses passed on God's words.Jesus speaks His and the Father's word. They are united in what they say and do. They act and speak as one God.John 8:28So Jesus said……… I do nothing on my own, but speak just what the Father has taught me.John 12:49For I did not…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Mike,You may have one god but it isn't the God of Jesus. Jesus' God is not His creator. Btw, the disciples believed in the Father AND the Son too and both are 'the theos.'Jesus said, “Believe in God, believe also in me.”

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    Did God offer eternal salvation to sinners apart from the Son?

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    Pierre,You picked up some bad habits in reading Job, I believe. I was just thinking the other day that you sound a lot like Job's friends that falsely accused Job and needed forgiveness, ha. They thought they were so smart, but it turns out they were not.

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    Pierre,You say that you stick to scriptures but I showed you just the other day that God blinds the eyes of men and you didn't believe it, in fact, you told me that I was making God out to be wicked. I was merely quoting scripture. You stick to your own misunderstanding of scripture.I find the understanding of the early church fathers valuable to…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,19:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,13:12)Mike,I don't believe that the Trinitarian's claim that being 'one' with God means that Jesus is a second person in the one being of God Almighty. They believe in a unity of three eternal persons in an almighty Godhead. I believe in two persons and their spirit in an…[Read more]

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    Yes, Kerwin, me too! Also pray for truth to reign here on HN and that the soldiers of Christ would prepare for battle, working together against the enemy instead of fighting each other.

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,18:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:54)Quote But for us sane people, it means “one in purpose”.The oneness that Jesus speaks of gets Him accused of blasphemy and eventually crucified because He is making Himself out to be God.John 10 30“I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him…[Read more]

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    Mike,I don't believe that the Trinitarian's claim that being 'one' with God means that Jesus is a second person in the one being of God Almighty. They believe in a unity of three eternal persons in an almighty Godhead. I believe in two persons and their spirit in an eternal God unity.You should know that I don't believe that Jesus is the…

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Then you need with ask with all your heart and only then will He answer you.

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2012,08:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 09 2012,04:30)Hi KathiI think that your natural concept of a Mother bringing birth to a son plays way to much in your understanding of the relationship of the Father and Jesus.To say that God the Father literally brought birth to a spiritual son in procreation in itself is…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,17:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2012,18:35)It was Jesus who told us that our God was also his God.I have never said anything to the contrary of God's word on this.Why do you lie?So then you agree with me and Jesus that all three of us have the same God?Your 'God' is Jesus'…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,17:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:22)Mike,A perfect example of God giving the words through Moses to Aaron showing that they are God's words and not Moses' own words.Read and learn.Oh, you mean like Jesus speaking, not of his own initiative, but ONLY what his God and our God had TOLD him to speak?Read and…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 8 months ago

    Pierre,Quote God his lord of lords and if Christ his lord of lords ,why would it say that God is lord of lords Why do you write 'his' for 'is' sometimes?Anyway, take your question to YHWH and wait and listen for Him to answer you. Ask with a whole heart, not one that leans on your previous understanding.

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    Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 02 2012,00:06)Quote Kathi said, “If you can't believe that Jesus is the only begotten God,”  Hi Kathi, You believe in the trinity, yet here you make one of your Gods to have a beginning.Gods don't have beginning or endings. You see, it wasn't three persons, or three gods,  It was God in three offices.The Father (God over U…[Read more]

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    Marty,Yes, you should never worship Jesus just because you should. That would just be religion. It is an expression of a contrite heart.

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    Quote But for us sane people, it means “one in purpose”.The oneness that Jesus speaks of gets Him accused of blasphemy and eventually crucified because He is making Himself out to be God.John 10 30“I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for w…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2012,18:46)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 10 2012,23:09)I kill and I make aliveJohn 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;John 6:57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of…[Read more]

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    Mike,you said:Quote And why is that, Kathi? Because of Deut 10:17, where the Father was called the God of gods and Lord of lords?Show me anywhere in the Bible that says the Father is the God of gods and the Lord of lords with both titles in the same verse as well as the word 'Father.'If you can't see that Jesus identifies Himself as Jehovah in…[Read more]

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    terrarricca,You will have to give account to YHWH for all you careless and foolish false judgements against the Christian, btw.

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