Here is what is said of Ambrose in the document by Gill linked in the OP. I agree with him also! 10. Ambrose, bishop of Milan, after having said many things in opposition to Arius, Sabellius, Photinus, and Eunomius, observes, that “when you speak of a Father, you also design his Son, for no man is a father to himself; and when you name a son, you…[Read more]

Pierre, to see what you have done, just read the judgements that you make towards me in nearly every post that you make to me. The false judgements abound. What I said about thinking you were like Job's friend is completely true, btw. I read what you posted in the 'Eternal Sonship' thread on Tuesday morning and related you to Job's false accuser…[Read more]

Pierre, are you saying that you were 1/2 of a man in your marriage?

1 man + 1 woman = 1 flesh.That is 1 + 1 = 1In your view, that must be 2, not 1. You go argue with God about it, not me. Mike,Marlin corrected me because He knows that to be God, one cannot have a beginning, in which I agree and I don't think Jesus had a beginning. What He seems unaware of is that the word 'begotten' in and of itself can just mean…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,18:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,07:35)Mike,Moses passed on God's words.Jesus speaks His and the Father's word. They are united in what they say and do. They act and speak as one God.John 8:28So Jesus said……… I do nothing on my own, but speak just what the Father has taught me.John 12:49For I did not…[Read more]

Mike,You may have one god but it isn't the God of Jesus. Jesus' God is not His creator. Btw, the disciples believed in the Father AND the Son too and both are 'the theos.'Jesus said, “Believe in God, believe also in me.”

Did God offer eternal salvation to sinners apart from the Son?

Pierre,You picked up some bad habits in reading Job, I believe. I was just thinking the other day that you sound a lot like Job's friends that falsely accused Job and needed forgiveness, ha. They thought they were so smart, but it turns out they were not.

Pierre,You say that you stick to scriptures but I showed you just the other day that God blinds the eyes of men and you didn't believe it, in fact, you told me that I was making God out to be wicked. I was merely quoting scripture. You stick to your own misunderstanding of scripture.I find the understanding of the early church fathers valuable to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,19:24)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,13:12)Mike,I don't believe that the Trinitarian's claim that being 'one' with God means that Jesus is a second person in the one being of God Almighty. They believe in a unity of three eternal persons in an almighty Godhead. I believe in two persons and their spirit in an…[Read more]

Yes, Kerwin, me too! Also pray for truth to reign here on HN and that the soldiers of Christ would prepare for battle, working together against the enemy instead of fighting each other.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,18:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:54)Quote But for us sane people, it means “one in purpose”.The oneness that Jesus speaks of gets Him accused of blasphemy and eventually crucified because He is making Himself out to be God.John 10 30“I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him…[Read more]

Mike,I don't believe that the Trinitarian's claim that being 'one' with God means that Jesus is a second person in the one being of God Almighty. They believe in a unity of three eternal persons in an almighty Godhead. I believe in two persons and their spirit in an eternal God unity.You should know that I don't believe that Jesus is the…

Then you need with ask with all your heart and only then will He answer you.

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2012,08:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 09 2012,04:30)Hi KathiI think that your natural concept of a Mother bringing birth to a son plays way to much in your understanding of the relationship of the Father and Jesus.To say that God the Father literally brought birth to a spiritual son in procreation in itself is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,17:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2012,18:35)It was Jesus who told us that our God was also his God.I have never said anything to the contrary of God's word on this.Why do you lie?So then you agree with me and Jesus that all three of us have the same God?Your 'God' is Jesus'…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,17:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:22)Mike,A perfect example of God giving the words through Moses to Aaron showing that they are God's words and not Moses' own words.Read and learn.Oh, you mean like Jesus speaking, not of his own initiative, but ONLY what his God and our God had TOLD him to speak?Read and…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote God his lord of lords and if Christ his lord of lords ,why would it say that God is lord of lords Why do you write 'his' for 'is' sometimes?Anyway, take your question to YHWH and wait and listen for Him to answer you. Ask with a whole heart, not one that leans on your previous understanding.

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 02 2012,00:06)Quote Kathi said, “If you can't believe that Jesus is the only begotten God,”  Hi Kathi, You believe in the trinity, yet here you make one of your Gods to have a beginning.Gods don't have beginning or endings. You see, it wasn't three persons, or three gods,  It was God in three offices.The Father (God over U…[Read more]

Marty,Yes, you should never worship Jesus just because you should. That would just be religion. It is an expression of a contrite heart.