Quote I think I'm with Princess and t8 on this one: Binity truly has become quite the bore.And we all know what happened next to Princess, don't we-no longer able to post in the believer's section. I do recognize that spirit in you both. I am not here to entertain you.

So where in scriptures does it speak of the Son being conceived before creation? I mean, since all sons are conceived, right?

t8,Thanks for your answer. You said:Quote I can accept that he is God of God or god of God in that case.Do you worship Him as God of God then?

I am guessing that Jesus is called God, with or without the article a dozen times or so. He is also called YHVH and Lord several times.

How do I persecute Muhammad, Bo? How have I rejected the prophet Muhammad? What have I said or done?

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 10 2013,17:39)Worship him as theos of theos and son of that theos of theos?I am not confused as you are kathi.I worship him as the son of God and the Lamb of God.He is the Word become flesh. Not God become flesh.I have seen clearly how obstinate people end up being cursed with delusion many times now.It is very important that we…[Read more]

Mike says:Quote And even IF you INSIST that it refers to Jesus being given YHWH's name, it proves that Jesus didn't ALWAYS HAVE YHWH's name. And that proves that Jesus hasn't ALWAYS BEEN “YHWH the Son”, as you so often claim.Being 'given' the name shows that He is a son and not the Father. What it doesn't show is that He didn't always deserve the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,12:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 06 2013,22:27)Mike,Through or by, they both indicate the second power was involved with the first power in creation, so it doesn't really make a difference.You are the one THROUGH WHOM God created your children, Kathi.Does that make you the “second power” of creation?  Does it put you…[Read more]

Mike asked:Quote That answer does not even address my question, Kathi. Why is Jesus so often listed as someone OTHER THAN Jehovah, our one and only God? In other words, we all have but ONE God, Jehovah. Jesus also has this ONE God as his own God, right? So why is Jesus so often clearly listed in scripture as someone OTHER THAN our ONE God? Jesu…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,12:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 06 2013,21:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2013,18:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2013,21:35)The second power is the Son, the Word of YHVH/the Arm of YHVH……..You mean like Cyrus, who is also called the “arm of YHWH”?  Was Cyrus the “second power”?Mike,You are just being ridiculous…[Read more]

You should also worship Him as the theos of theos. Agreed?

So, t8, since theos can apply to Jesus Christ, according to Hebrews 1, all the angels should worship the theos-Jesus, the Firstborn.So when you worship Jesus as the Lamb of theos and the Son of theos, you should also worship Him as the theos of theos. Agreed?

Hello Bo,you said:Quote Jesus didn't say tht the word of God was the way, he said “I am the way” he was speaking as Jesus but can you een tell me where the Bible says that the “word of God” spoke to Noah?Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.Bo, this verse in Rev 19 is saying that…[Read more]

Bo,The two angels of Gen 18 appeared as men and ate food. We aren't told about these bodies that appeared as men and could eat. Apparently angelic beings can appear as men and act as men yet still be angels. They are supernatural beings with abilities to transform their appearances. There was no mention that they took over already existing…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2013,21:40)In Acts 13, the God of Abraham, et al is the Father…one of the powers of YHVH. The Servant of Abraham is the second power of YHVH as the incarnated God/Man.So why do you think they spoke about the God (not “Gods”) of Abraham, and listed Jesus as someone OTHER THAN…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2013,19:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2013,21:37)Who does the creed specifically say by whom all things are made?Well, since the creed was originally written by Eusebius in the Greek language, the word used was most likely “dia”.The people who translated the creed from Greek to English should have translated the word…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 06 2013,18:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 05 2013,21:35)The second power is the Son, the Word of YHVH/the Arm of YHVH……..You mean like Cyrus, who is also called the “arm of YHWH”?  Was Cyrus the “second power”?Jesus is never called “YHWH” in the scriptures, because that is not his name.  And it is not his name because he I…[Read more]

Hi 2besee,The Holy Spirit is within both of the two powers of YHVH. Our spirit is within us. imo

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 04 2013,20:27)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 26 2013,20:31)Here's another question for you:Acts 3:13The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.Kathi, who EXACTLY, is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the patriarchs?And who is the servant OF that God?Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 28…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 04 2013,20:30)Also, according to the Nicene Creed you posted:Who is EXPLICITELY said to be “maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible”?The Father.Who does the creed specifically say by whom all things are made?