Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,23:23)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,17:16)Can you say this t8:Jesus is our God with God and they are one??I can't say the same for judges, angels, satan and earthquakes because I don't believe any of them are MY God.But they all have theos and/or elohim applied to them in a legitimate way. So you lack a complete…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,23:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,18:46)1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him (the Father) who is true; and we are in Him (the Father) who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.Okay. I thought I agreed, but I think…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,23:21)Yes I can say it. But it likely would not mean what you want it to mean.So yes I can say it. If I was with like minded people I could. But in your company and Trinitarians, they would get the wrong end of the stick.t8,Perhaps most members in the Believer's section could say that too. However, when you get down to it,…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,22:37)LU, is Jesus the true God in 1 john 5.20?t8,According to this verse:1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him (the Father) who is true; and we are in Him (the Father) who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.I think…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,22:36)Yes that is right. I am not willing to concur with your meaning.That is why you knew I couldn't do it because I have yet to concur with your understanding of theos. So why would I agree with you now.Not hard to understand why is it. Just being wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove. We need to tread carefully among…[Read more]

No traps here, t8. You don't need a lawyer…good grief.Plain and simple, can and do you worship Jesus as your God who is from God?Also, Jesus is not the prototype only begotten God/Son. He is the only begotten God/Son. He is the ONLY begotten Son because He is the ONLY Son that came OUT of the Father. No one else elohim, son, theos, or otherwise…[Read more]

t8,Honestly didn't think you could do it but you have proved me wrong.That is great that you can say “Jesus is our God with God and they are one.”BTW, that means that two Gods are one.

Can you say this t8:Jesus is our God with God and they are one??I can't say the same for judges, angels, satan and earthquakes because I don't believe any of them are MY God.

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2013,18:00)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 10 2013,17:39)Worship him as theos of theos and son of that theos of theos?I am not confused as you are kathi.I worship him as the son of God and the Lamb of God.He is the Word become flesh. Not God become flesh.I have seen clearly how obstinate people end up being cursed with delusion many…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote You can't ask us to prove a negative.Actually I was asking you to show me some proof of what you believe, ya know…that the Son of God, being a Son would be…well here are your words:Quote If Jesus is the SON of God, then God came first.  No father and son have EVER existed from the same point in time.  The father ALWAYS e…[Read more]

t8? Try again.

Jammin hang in there. It's crazy how people can read that Jesus is called God even by the Father yet they can't call Him that themselves. Unity is not something they seem to understand. It takes balls to do what you do! Go Jammin!!How hard is it to say that Jesus is our God with God and they are one??

Forgiven.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,14:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,07:54)The Son was the only one to come 'out of' the Father as an offspring before creation.Yet you say he was an offspring forever past if I remember rightly.He eternally comes out of the Father is your stance I think.I just believe he came from the Father. No strings attached. It is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,14:46)What you are saying LU is that he didn't die.You can't half die or one-tenth die. That is not death.Nope that is not what I am saying.The shoot died, the root didn't.Have you seen a plant with a dead stem but the plant remained alive? Oh well, ask a gardener.

Mike,Only the 'shoot' part was die-able. Quote That would make him only HALF of a savior.Is the Father only half of a savior since He didn't die, Mike? No, so the Son isn't either because the 'root' part of Him wasn't die-able, only the shoot could suffer and die, and did.

Oh and Wakeup, you asked if the Son was a half brother to us. Well, the Son was the only begotten Son and we are the adopted 'sons.' The Son was the only one to come 'out of' the Father as an offspring before creation. All other things did not come 'out of' the Father. All other things were called into being. The Son was within Him before coming…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup,Are you familiar with the fact that the Son of God is the root and the shoot of Jesse?He is the 'root' because the Father through the Son produced the generations according to His (the Son's) deity.He is the 'shoot' because He became man as an offspring of Jesse and David's line according to the flesh.He didn't stop being the 'root' to…[Read more]

t8,Here is the question again. A simple yes, no, or I don't know will do.Quote Do you worship Him as God of God then?