Quote Surely God would have known how these terms would confuse us, if Jesus truly had existed from eternity, right?“He was an entity of the same kind as Himself, within Him and then born/begotten/brought forth from out of Him.”Sons are an entity within the parent of the same kind as the parent and then born/begotten/brought forth out of the parent.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 14 2013,17:59)Hi Kathi,I am interested to know your thoughts about these points I made yesterday:Surely God knew how we humans would understand the words “son”, “firstborn”, and “only begotten”.  Why do you suppose God would TRICK us by using these words for His own “Son” – if the the standard things that go along with…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,01:53)Quote (carmel @ Feb. 15 2013,14:45)Yes you are mistaken,READ!So when scripture says John the Baptist was a man sent FROM God, we can assume that he too came “out of” God the same way Jesus did?The word 'sent' and 'came out of' are two different Greek words.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2013,22:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 15 2013,11:12)t8,The saints of the church and the headship of the church are two different entities within the one church. The saints will never be both the body and the head (theos). The saints will only be the body. The saints will not be theos. Furthermore, you have never proven that men…[Read more]

I enjoyed reading through this old thread this morning.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2011,14:05)t8,This is a good topic and I may keep my conversations here for a while so that I am not jumping around trying to keep up with those asking me questions.  I am getting rather busy with planning a bridal shower, starting a new school year and designing a big kitchen for a client…soooo I need to limit my…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2013,18:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 15 2013,22:42)Jack,you said:Quote The difference between Kathi and myself is that she believes that Jesus was literally begotten and therefore had a beginning, while I believe that that the was not a time that Jesus was not.I believe that Jesus was literally begotten/born before creation…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,The Word became flesh. The Root (The Son according to His divinity) through the stump (Jesse's geneology) produced a shoot (the Son became flesh). He remained the Root and also became the Shoot.

Mike,you said:Quote So then, even though the words “Satan is not God” are nowhere to be found in the scriptures, we can still KNOW that he is not God from the scripture you quoted, because it lists Satan as someone OTHER THAN God, right? Aren't you the one that wanted to convince me that satan was the god of Ekron?? Do you like playing two sides…[Read more]

Jack,your response to Mike:Quote Like I said Mike, no one has been able to refute it. The word “elohim” has such a wide variety of meaning that we could say that God is also Gods.He just did refute you with this passage:Mark 12:28One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What c…[Read more]

t8,you said:Quote But don't pretend that I have not answered the question. I have answered it clearly and precisely. And this is not the first time either.Where was the other time that you have said 'no' regarding 'worshipping Jesus as your God from God?'This question will not go away. If you think that I am pushy, you haven't seen anything yet. I…[Read more]

Jack,you said:Quote The difference between Kathi and myself is that she believes that Jesus was literally begotten and therefore had a beginning, while I believe that that the was not a time that Jesus was not.I believe that Jesus was literally begotten/born before creation but existed eternally beforehand within the Father. So there is no time…[Read more]

Hi Jack, I believe that the NT quotes the OT 'elohim' in regards to the elohim of Israel, as singular, that is why I don't think that you can make that argument.

No problem Ted, you didn't know. Have a great day!

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2013,02:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 14 2013,21:10)Jesus is the only begotten God of God.My Bible says, he is the son of God.I will stick with that. Thanks Kathi, but no thanks.When people say no, then that usually means no, they don't want what you are offering.Lol. That was a campaign here in NZ a while back.Obviously we have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 14 2013,19:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 14 2013,01:02)That which pre-existed of the Son came from within the Father. Is there a scripture that says Jesus came “from within” the Father?Also, this doesn't address my point.  Of course Jesus was conceived of Mary.  What I'm asking is if you believe he was ever CONCEIVED before h…[Read more]

Mike,You have already been kicked out of Christian message boards, haven't you? What does that tell you? Fortunately for you, you found a board where two people agree with your Arian ideas.

t8,Quote It makes me think of those second century fathers who often had debates. I don't think they debated the same stuff over and over till they died. I think once they put someone to flight, they moved on to other things.The thing about that is, you would have been the one put to flight! I happen to agree with the majority of second century…[Read more]

Quote If Jesus is theos, it is because he is theos in the same way that angels and judges were. Either by nature or by godly authority.You need more than a lawyer if that is what you think. Jesus came out of God, the angels and men didn't. Big difference.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 13 2013,20:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,17:28)They are one…not one God…one as in unity and we can be one in unity also. They are one in unity as a Godhead and we can be one in unity as the church.Nice dodge, but some men are clearly called theos and we are invited by Jesus no less, to be one with him, his Father, and…[Read more]