jb2u,That was the original Nicene Creed that I posted. Also, don't believe what t8 says about my beliefs. I do not believe in a binity. He gives others the wrong impression of me constantly and seems like he has a spirit of the accuser of the brethren. Beware.Also, you cannot escape the truth that God was with God in the beginning and that is…[Read more]

t-Here is a verse:1 Chronicles 29:12 Wealth and honor come from you; you are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt and give strength to all.

abe,Jesus is the Christ as the offspring.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 10 2013,14:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2013,03:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,21:56)Mike,1.  Wisdom is born in the sense of 'brought forth' throughout scripture.2.  Wisdom is not created out of nothing, anywhere in scripture.3.  Wisdom has to be within someone before it can be brought forth, otherwise it is just a go…[Read more]

Mike and Edj,I think that Hebrew words are either masculine or feminine. There is no neuter gender, from what I understand.This verse caught my attention with the masculine pronoun for the Holy Spirit. It is listed as masculine in the interlinear tool.John 16:13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He…[Read more]

Mike,God said that Jesus was the Word that was God and with God. So how literal are you going to be about that. Also the Son is God's OWN arm and God always had His OWN 'arm.' The Son is the eternal life that WAS WITH the Father. It doesn't say that the Son became the eternal life that began to be with the Father. Eternal life that 'WAS' with the…[Read more]

Welcome jb2u,I advise you to stay in a church that believes in the Nicene Creed. Do you agree with the Nicene Creed? I believe some trinitarians agree that God sent His literal Son. I believe in a literal Son and believe that He was within the Father eternally until He was begotten from the Father before creation. I believe that is a common belief…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 11 2013,17:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 11 2013,06:03)terarricca,The Son is the LORD's own ARM!Isaiah 63:5I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support; so my own arm worked salvation for me, and my own wrath sustained me.Psalm 44:3 It was not by their sword that they won the land, nor did their…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 11 2013,00:07)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 11 2013,09:40)Terarricca,The LORD always had His own 'ARM/strength.'The LORD did not create His own 'ARM/strength.'The Root that became the Shoot is the LORD's own ARM/strength.terarricca, I know that God is not speaking of an arm like one of our arms. However, He is speaking of the…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 10 2013,18:48)LU, I would say that “God's Wings” 'represent' the Son/Holy Spirit.“He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.  I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.  Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly p…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 10 2013,16:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 10 2013,17:02)Dissociative Identity Disorder and the New Nephilim Does that title interest anyone here on HN?For more info, listen to a podcast about it from here:http://www.dougriggs.org/Podcast-Interviews.htmlLightenup.Sorry but he seem to be all over the place.Confusing…[Read more]

Terarricca,The LORD always had His own 'ARM/strength.'The LORD did not create His own 'ARM/strength.'The Root that became the Shoot is the LORD's own ARM/strength.terarricca, I know that God is not speaking of an arm like one of our arms. However, He is speaking of the Root that becomes the Shoot as being the LORD's own ARM as in 'strength.'No…[Read more]

Hi Bo,I hope you are well!Jesus as the Son of Man (the Second Adam) is the Branch (offspring) that comes from the Roots of Jesse through the stump of Jesse.Jesus as the Son of God is the Root of Jesse/man and it is through Jesus as the Son of God, that all men came to be.Roots (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) >>>>all creation was made with Adam as the…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 10 2013,14:56)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 10 2013,11:30)Quote Mike Tells us if the Word “Begotten” means to bring into Existence” how could Jesus be Begotten on “this Day” when he already existed?can you begin to exist, “be begotten”, if you already exist? Gene, the word 'begotten' is often meant as being born. Anything that is born…[Read more]

Quote Mike Tells us if the Word “Begotten” means to bring into Existence” how could Jesus be Begotten on “this Day” when he already existed?can you begin to exist, “be begotten”, if you already exist? Gene, the word 'begotten' is often meant as being born. Anything that is born was alive beforehand.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2013,03:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,21:56)Mike,1.  Wisdom is born in the sense of 'brought forth' throughout scripture.2.  Wisdom is not created out of nothing, anywhere in scripture.3.  Wisdom has to be within someone before it can be brought forth, otherwise it is just a good guess.1.  Give me a scr…[Read more]

Quote 2. Anything that is “born” is also a “creation”, Kathi.Not the Son who was the eternal life which was with the Father.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2013,03:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,22:09)The Branch = offspring from the root through the stumpThe Roots = source of the stumpOkay.  I guess since that stump was created by God THROUGH Jesus, we could, in a very vague way, consider Jesus “the source” of the stump.  Much like we could consider the baseball I t…[Read more]

t-Firstborn = first to be born. It is already alive before being born.

terarricca,The Son is the LORD's own ARM!Isaiah 63:5I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support; so my own arm worked salvation for me, and my own wrath sustained me.Psalm 44:3 It was not by their sword that they won the land, nor did their arm bring them victory; it was your right hand, your arm, and the light…[Read more]