terarricca,A person that sits at the right hand of the king is the second power in the kingdom. Would you agree?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,21:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,19:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,20:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,16:16)Kathi, am I correct in saying that a father's part in the begetting process is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,21:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,19:36)Quote Tell me again how this allows for Jesus to BE the very God who created all things THROUGH him.I never said it did.David and Jesse came from 'Roots' a plural word. One of the Roots also became an offspring of David and Jesse.Note to reader…please see that Mike has…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,21:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,19:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,19:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)I spent hours on that showing you so many verses on wisdom in Proverbs and NONE of them supports the idea of a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,21:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,17:10)MIke says:Quote BASELESS.Really? Show me where Moses existed before and after someone as their foundation and their offspring.Watch him not be able to show me one verse that would demonstrate that Moses is the foundation of someone and also their offspring.How does this…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,20:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,16:16)Kathi, am I correct in saying that a father's part in the begetting process is the act of conception?  YES or NO?If your answer is “NO”, then please tell…[Read more]

Quote Tell me again how this allows for Jesus to BE the very God who created all things THROUGH him.I never said it did.David and Jesse came from 'Roots' a plural word. One of the Roots also became an offspring of David and Jesse.Note to reader…please see that Mike has once again implied that I said something that I did not say. He is not only…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,19:57)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)I spent hours on that showing you so many verses on wisdom in Proverbs and NONE of them supports the idea of a 'created' wisdom but you seem to ignore that, you just want to hang your hat on the…[Read more]

According to what context, Mike?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,16:30)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2013,18:42)2.  When John tells us that Jesus gave us the right to be sons of God who are “born of God”, do you imagine that we who are to be “born of God” live inside His womb for a while before He gives birth to us like a woman would?  YES o…[Read more]

terarricca,It is the Second Power of YHVH, the Word of YHVH, Himself, that appears to Abraham, not the First Power of YHVH.

MIke says:Quote BASELESS.Really? Show me where Moses existed before and after someone as their foundation and their offspring.Watch him not be able to show me one verse that would demonstrate that Moses is the foundation of someone and also their offspring.

Quote (Or perhaps you could list for me a living being who WAS born, but is NOT a creation of our God.) The only begotten Son of God who is the eternal life which was with the Father in the beginning.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:47) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)I thought I'd introduce you and your ideas to the people here, so they too can know that your claims are usually baseless.You weren't very successful.Well, let's see…………Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:47) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)So tell me,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,16:16)Kathi, am I correct in saying that a father's part in the begetting process is the act of conception?  YES or NO?If your answer is “NO”, then please tell us what OTHER parts the father has in the producing of a child.Mike,NO.I see…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)I spent hours on that showing you so many verses on wisdom in Proverbs and NONE of them supports the idea of a 'created' wisdom but you seem to ignore that, you just want to hang your hat on the weak peg-the translators of the NET…….How many support the idea of a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)And about your 'BTW' I have spent way too much time talking to you about Moses, Cyrus, and the 'created vs possessed' thing. So don't you go saying I haven't addressed it.Yeah, but since you came into THIS thread, badmouthing me to my peers, I thought I'd introduce you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,16:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2013,18:42)1.  Am I correct that a father's part in the begetting process is the act of conception – when the seed impregnates the egg?  YES or NO?1. NO, I don't believe that once a man finds that he impregnated a women, he goes about saying t…[Read more]

Jeremiah 17:8BIB: יוּבַל֙ יְשַׁלַּ֣ח שָֽׁרָשָׁ֔יו וְלֹ֤א the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease…[Read more]

Isaiah 53:2BIB: כַּיּוֹנֵ֜ק לְפָנָ֗יו וְכַשֹּׁ֙רֶשׁ֙ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ צִיָּ֔הNAS:2For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. KJV:1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD…[Read more]