Quote (Or perhaps you could list for me a living being who WAS born, but is NOT a creation of our God.) The only begotten Son of God who is the eternal life which was with the Father in the beginning.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:47) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)I thought I'd introduce you and your ideas to the people here, so they too can know that your claims are usually baseless.You weren't very successful.Well, let's see…………Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:47) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)So tell me,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,16:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,16:16)Kathi, am I correct in saying that a father's part in the begetting process is the act of conception?  YES or NO?If your answer is “NO”, then please tell us what OTHER parts the father has in the producing of a child.Mike,NO.I see…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)I spent hours on that showing you so many verses on wisdom in Proverbs and NONE of them supports the idea of a 'created' wisdom but you seem to ignore that, you just want to hang your hat on the weak peg-the translators of the NET…….How many support the idea of a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,17:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)And about your 'BTW' I have spent way too much time talking to you about Moses, Cyrus, and the 'created vs possessed' thing. So don't you go saying I haven't addressed it.Yeah, but since you came into THIS thread, badmouthing me to my peers, I thought I'd introduce you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2013,16:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2013,18:42)1.  Am I correct that a father's part in the begetting process is the act of conception – when the seed impregnates the egg?  YES or NO?1. NO, I don't believe that once a man finds that he impregnated a women, he goes about saying t…[Read more]

Jeremiah 17:8BIB: יוּבַל֙ יְשַׁלַּ֣ח שָֽׁרָשָׁ֔יו וְלֹ֤א the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease…[Read more]

Isaiah 53:2BIB: כַּיּוֹנֵ֜ק לְפָנָ֗יו וְכַשֹּׁ֙רֶשׁ֙ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ צִיָּ֔הNAS:2For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. KJV:1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2013,23:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 06 2013,20:21)I'm sure you have trouble seeing that the root is also the shoot, too.No, I understand that Jesus was both before and after David…………. because that lesson is clearly taught in scripture.So if I can see that, why do you suppose you CAN'T see that Paul was speaking…[Read more]

Good one Keith…poor horse

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2013,22:55)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx-nfvIV6dkthis is one that seems nice to meYou like this??You say it is nice to you, yet you denounce it's truth. See the video at 3:19-3:24.

terraricca,I understand that the one that Abram saw in the vision who identified Himself as the LORD, gave Abram a message. That doesn't mean that the messenger wasn't YHVH but was only quoting YHVH. The Word of the LORD that was seen in the vision was actually called YHVH because the Son and the Father are both identified as YHVH. This is…[Read more]

abe,I read something in early church history that false teaching about Christ was going around and John wrote his gospel to correct this and emphasize the divinity of Christ.Jesus is the root (invisible and divine) AND the shoot (visible offspring from the roots-plural, of Jesse). Jesus, according to His divinity is as invisible as a root and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2013,18:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 08 2013,16:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2013,16:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 07 2013,22:16)And here is a third item where Mike has done double talk:He just quoted this in his post above this:Quote Footnote #2 says:The third parallel verb is חוֹלָלְתִּי (kholalti), “I was given b…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 09 2013,12:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,09:16)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,03:12)Quote (abe @ Mar. 09 2013,18:22)Why did God say the word was in the beginning?Hi Abe, here's why…                                   Ho Logos = Spirit“And the “Spirit” of God moved upon the face of the waters.” (Gen 1:2)“the words…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 09 2013,02:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 07 2013,18:58)Quote (abe @ Mar. 06 2013,23:32)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 06 2013,17:44)Quote (abe @ Mar. 06 2013,15:41)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 06 2013,12:28)abe,In this verse do you see one God with another God? Or do you see one God with Himself?John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,03:12)Quote (abe @ Mar. 09 2013,18:22)Why did God say the word was in the beginning?Hi Abe, here's why…                                   Ho Logos = Spirit“And the “Spirit” of God moved upon the face of the waters.” (Gen 1:2)“the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit”  (John 6:63)God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2013,01:55)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,01:46)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 08 2013,04:46)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 08 2013,10:55)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2013,23:32)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 08 2013,09:06)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 07 2013,06:29)LU,Quote I do not see Jesus as the remnant because He never stopped serving God but the remnant…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 08 2013,16:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 07 2013,22:16)And here is a third item where Mike has done double talk:He just quoted this in his post above this:Quote Footnote #2 says:The third parallel verb is חוֹלָלְתִּי (kholalti), “I was given birth.” Some (e.g., KJV, NAB, NASB, NRSV) translate it “brought forth” – not in th…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2013,16:32)http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/11-31.htm2 Corinthians 11:31The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ–He who is blessed throughout the Ages, knows that I am speaking the truth.The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying.I agree with Paul. It is the Father, and I am…[Read more]