Quote (t8 @ Mar. 13 2013,15:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,12:12)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2013,16:32)http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/11-31.htm2 Corinthians 11:31The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ–He who is blessed throughout the Ages, knows that I am speaking the truth.The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is blessed forever, knows that…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 13 2013,06:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 13 2013,16:24)Also, you cannot escape the truth that God was with God in the beginning and that is speaking of the Son of God.That is the sort of thing I was giving warning about.The 2 or 3 God doctrine. God with God. God with God with God.It's just God. And all else are from him. That is one…[Read more]

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t-He can't give what He doesn't have. He has strength and gives strength.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,22:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,19:58)Mike,I was saying that wisdom is 'brought forth' which has the idea of 'born.'You are correct that, many times, “brought forth” means “born”.To which scripture(s) are you referring?  Do they contain the Hebrew word “yalad”?Why 'yalad?' I don't see 'yalad' in Prov. 8, do…[Read more]

Mike,Spirit is a neuter word in the Greek, that is why John 16:13 caught my attention…the gender of the two pronouns that I bolded are masculine though..

t-Strength AND power are in HIS hands. He gives strength and power because He has strength and power to give. THINK!

Mike,The flesh died. The flesh did not exist eternally. The flesh did not have eternal life until it was given it. The flesh was part of the shoot, not the root.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,22:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,21:14)He began to give others this eternal life that He was back before creation with the Father.But his Father and God GRANTED him to have eternal life in him, Kathi.  Do you see how that doesn't fit with your conclusion?Eternal life was given to the 'shoot' not the 'root'…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,22:16)Kathi, do you think the angel of the LORD, who struck down 185,000 Assyrians, was Jesus?Mike,Not necessarily. I believe angels can do this.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,22:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,21:06)Mike,There is NO mention of the Father in my post. It mentions the LORD and the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. The Lord of the lords is Jesus and the Arm of the LORD. The verse does not say that the Father saw that there was no one. It says that the LORD…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,21:55)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 11 2013,21:44)The Son is the eternal life that WAS WITH the Father. It doesn't say that the Son became the eternal life that began to be with the Father. Eternal life that 'WAS' with the Father in the beginning is eternal in the past. I John 1.Romans 5:21 ……so also grace might…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,21:36)Mike,The arm of the LORD here is not another person but the LORD's OWN arm.Isaiah 59:16 He saw that there was no one, he was appalled that there was no one to intervene; so his own arm worked salvation for him, and his own righteousness sustained him.Mike,There is NO mention of the Father in my post. It…[Read more]

Mike,The arm of the LORD here is not another person but the LORD's OWN arm.Isaiah 59:16 He saw that there was no one, he was appalled that there was no one to intervene; so his own arm worked salvation for him, and his own righteousness sustained him.

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jb2u,That was the original Nicene Creed that I posted. Also, don't believe what t8 says about my beliefs. I do not believe in a binity. He gives others the wrong impression of me constantly and seems like he has a spirit of the accuser of the brethren. Beware.Also, you cannot escape the truth that God was with God in the beginning and that is…[Read more]

t-Here is a verse:1 Chronicles 29:12 Wealth and honor come from you; you are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt and give strength to all.

abe,Jesus is the Christ as the offspring.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 10 2013,14:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2013,03:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,21:56)Mike,1.  Wisdom is born in the sense of 'brought forth' throughout scripture.2.  Wisdom is not created out of nothing, anywhere in scripture.3.  Wisdom has to be within someone before it can be brought forth, otherwise it is just a go…[Read more]

Mike and Edj,I think that Hebrew words are either masculine or feminine. There is no neuter gender, from what I understand.This verse caught my attention with the masculine pronoun for the Holy Spirit. It is listed as masculine in the interlinear tool.John 16:13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He…[Read more]