Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,20:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,18:31)I want you to understand that if Cain was with “THE Adam”, and was himself “adam”, it simply means Cain was “a man” who was with “THE first man, Adam”.Can you see this?Cain would not be adam…only those that serve YHVH are adam.…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 21 2013,17:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,05:48)taking on the appearance of man and walking in flesh is mysterious indeed.Is this not suspicious, more than mysterious?No besee, the incarnation is a mystery which I take by faith. I am not suspicious of this, that would be doubting the incarnation.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,18:31)Quote (abe @ Mar. 19 2013,22:42)Hi Mike,In the beginning was Cain.  And Cain was with THE adam, and Cain was adam.The only way Cain was Adam is past tense.Past? present? Future?Could it be that since mankind itself is called “adam” in Hebrew, the statement could mean that Cain was with THE Adam (the original…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,16:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,06:32)More t8 confusion:I have never said that I am an authority in Greek grammar and even much less an authority in Hebrew grammar. I have never pretended that I was. Although I have had a year and a half of Greek Biblical grammar study in a classroom. I have only had two classes in a…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 21 2013,17:09)..Jesus “appearing” as a man/flesh only in some mysterious way – is that not denying the flesh/man?Read what I said again without changing the words.

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,16:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,06:08)t8,Your post is a great example of breaking HN rules…false accusations, slander of another member.If you want to display YOUR confusion all over HN, that is up to you. I have in my signature that there is Jehovah the Father AND ALSO Jehovah the Son. That is two, who together…[Read more]

Kerwin,The stump still has its roots even when chopped down. The Roots are ultimately the foundation of the whole tree. From the Roots (Godhead), through the stump (Jesse and his descendants), came the Branch (Messiah). The Branch is fruitful and through the Branch come the stems. The stems would be the followers of the Branch-those who cling to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 21 2013,06:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,09:24)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2013,16:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,21:02)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,01:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,17:52)This 'article theology' argument falls flat on its back for two reasons:1. It is inconsistent since there are two other verses in John…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,06:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:38)So, I learned something about 'the Adam' tonight in my Hebrew class. 'the Adam' refers to a specific person that bears the image of God…in other words 'a specific follower' of God. Without the 'the,' adam refers to the believers in general. The word 'adam' is not a word for…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,06:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:49)Mike,Origen is making an argument based on the absence of the article to show the second God mentioned is a lessor type. This is what is the failed argument. Mike,Origen is making an argument based on the absence of the article to show the second God mentioned is a lessor type.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,06:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:43)Like I have unfortunately had to say many times…don't pay any attention to what t8 says about what I believe. For instance, I certainly do believe that Jesus is the Son of God.If you believe that Jesus is the son of God and that Jesus is God, then you believe that Jesus is his…[Read more]

Bo, you asked:Quote if Jesus has a lord then obviously he is not lord over his own lord, correct?The 'Shoot' is not Lord over the 'Roots of Jesse' but the 'Root of Jesse' is Lord over the 'Shoot.' Jesus is both one of the 'Roots' and the 'Shoot.' That was what Jesus revealed about Himself as one of the last things that He said in the last book of…[Read more]

Here are a few examples where the Son is called 'God.'Heb 18But about the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;therefore God, your God, has set you above your companionsby anointing you with the oil of joy.”Acts 20:…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 19 2013,17:18)KathyQuote terraricca,Who is the 'I' in this passage:Isaiah 631Who is this coming from Edom,the “I” his God but the one that comes fulfilling the plan his Christ ,AND CHRIST CAME INTO HIS FATHER NAME ,GOT IT Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good…[Read more]

Daniel,You are welcome! You are right to proof the texts from the early church fathers that are put up here. Some are cut and pasted out of context and seem to say something that is not really being said in the full context. Thanks for your comments.

Hi Kerwin,I found that some words for 'root' can also be translated as 'shoot' but not in Isa 11. The 'roots' are the support of the stump, not a branch coming from the stump. Likewise,the 'branch' coming from the stump is not the 'roots' of the stump. Those are two different plant parts. One as the foundation (the roots) and one as the offspring…[Read more]

Bo,When you capitalize all 4 letters in LORD, that generally refers to YHVH. I think that you mean 'Lord,' right?If so, then as the 'Shoot/offspring of David' He was speaking as a man who was made lower than even the angels, so naturally, the Father would be His Lord and God. But in the NT, the titles 'Lord' and 'God' are used for both the Father…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,19:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 18 2013,21:59)Mike,I am glad that you can see that I make a point. The point that I made destroys the foundation of the argument that Origen was building so I see no need to bother with the conclusions that he built on top of a foundation made of sand.“Destroys the foundation of the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,17:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 20 2013,05:02)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,01:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,17:52)This 'article theology' argument falls flat on its back for two reasons:1. It is inconsistent since there are two other verses in John 1 alone that have the word 'God' in them but NO ARTICLE and they refer to…[Read more]

So, I learned something about 'the Adam' tonight in my Hebrew class. 'the Adam' refers to a specific person that bears the image of God…in other words 'a specific follower' of God. Without the 'the,' adam refers to the believers in general. The word 'adam' is not a word for unbelieving man in general or a specific man if he is not a believer and…[Read more]