Bo,Please answer this question:Do you really believe that the Bible does not call Jesus, theos?

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,22:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,16:18)t8,The 'appendix 3' in the quote box here agrees that the article is significant but its significance disagrees with your application of it. The quote says that adam with the article would not refer to the person with the proper name of Adam.If that is correct, then your…[Read more]

Bo,Do you really think that Moses or Paul were divine? If not, then why even mention them? On the other hand, Jesus is one that existed pre-flesh and in the beginning and through Him all things were made and through His sacrifice all men were given the opportunity to be saved and have eternal life with Him.Do you really believe that the Bible does…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 21 2013,20:05)LU,Jesus is the offspring of Jesse, the shoot that comes out of the stump of Jesse.  The stump that is rooted in Yawheh.  Jesus is the root of Jesse, the corner stone that is laid in Zion.  The foundation stones of the prophets were laid first.  Jesus, the cornerstone was laid next,  the foundation stones of the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,20:49)I found this from another Hebrew site that says that the word 'adam' with the article would never refer to the person with the proper name of 'Adam.' The article in Hebrew is 'ha' and HaAdam is adam with the article.Quote Appendix 3:'Adam' and Hebrew GrammarEth    'Eth' is put before the object of the s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,20:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,19:40)Is http://www.bible.cc working for you tonight? It's not working for me for some reason.Is that Biblos.com?  I don't know any site by the name “bible.cc”.  If you are referring to Biblos, then yes, it is working for me.  That's where I located the Exodus scripture.Yes Mi…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,19:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,10:19)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,06:13)Certainly there is the reference that THE God is greater than the Word. Please show us this reference.Well, Jesus is called “the Word of God” because he is God's spokesman, right?  So who is greater Kathi, the spokesman, or the king for…[Read more]

I found this from another Hebrew site that says that the word 'adam' with the article would never refer to the person with the proper name of 'Adam.' The article in Hebrew is 'ha' and HaAdam is adam with the article.Quote Appendix 3:'Adam' and Hebrew GrammarEth 'Eth' is put before the object of the sentence if the object is either a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,20:01)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,18:31)I want you to understand that if Cain was with “THE Adam”, and was himself “adam”, it simply means Cain was “a man” who was with “THE first man, Adam”.Can you see this?Cain would not be adam…only those that serve YHVH are adam.…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 21 2013,17:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,05:48)taking on the appearance of man and walking in flesh is mysterious indeed.Is this not suspicious, more than mysterious?No besee, the incarnation is a mystery which I take by faith. I am not suspicious of this, that would be doubting the incarnation.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 21 2013,18:31)Quote (abe @ Mar. 19 2013,22:42)Hi Mike,In the beginning was Cain.  And Cain was with THE adam, and Cain was adam.The only way Cain was Adam is past tense.Past? present? Future?Could it be that since mankind itself is called “adam” in Hebrew, the statement could mean that Cain was with THE Adam (the original…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,16:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,06:32)More t8 confusion:I have never said that I am an authority in Greek grammar and even much less an authority in Hebrew grammar. I have never pretended that I was. Although I have had a year and a half of Greek Biblical grammar study in a classroom. I have only had two classes in a…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 21 2013,17:09)..Jesus “appearing” as a man/flesh only in some mysterious way – is that not denying the flesh/man?Read what I said again without changing the words.

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,16:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2013,06:08)t8,Your post is a great example of breaking HN rules…false accusations, slander of another member.If you want to display YOUR confusion all over HN, that is up to you. I have in my signature that there is Jehovah the Father AND ALSO Jehovah the Son. That is two, who together…[Read more]

Kerwin,The stump still has its roots even when chopped down. The Roots are ultimately the foundation of the whole tree. From the Roots (Godhead), through the stump (Jesse and his descendants), came the Branch (Messiah). The Branch is fruitful and through the Branch come the stems. The stems would be the followers of the Branch-those who cling to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 21 2013,06:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,09:24)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 19 2013,16:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,21:02)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,01:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,17:52)This 'article theology' argument falls flat on its back for two reasons:1. It is inconsistent since there are two other verses in John…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,06:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:38)So, I learned something about 'the Adam' tonight in my Hebrew class. 'the Adam' refers to a specific person that bears the image of God…in other words 'a specific follower' of God. Without the 'the,' adam refers to the believers in general. The word 'adam' is not a word for…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,06:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:49)Mike,Origen is making an argument based on the absence of the article to show the second God mentioned is a lessor type. This is what is the failed argument. Mike,Origen is making an argument based on the absence of the article to show the second God mentioned is a lessor type.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2013,06:09)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 21 2013,17:43)Like I have unfortunately had to say many times…don't pay any attention to what t8 says about what I believe. For instance, I certainly do believe that Jesus is the Son of God.If you believe that Jesus is the son of God and that Jesus is God, then you believe that Jesus is his…[Read more]

Bo, you asked:Quote if Jesus has a lord then obviously he is not lord over his own lord, correct?The 'Shoot' is not Lord over the 'Roots of Jesse' but the 'Root of Jesse' is Lord over the 'Shoot.' Jesus is both one of the 'Roots' and the 'Shoot.' That was what Jesus revealed about Himself as one of the last things that He said in the last book of…[Read more]