I didn't say that the verse said that Jesus is also the only true God. I was giving you another way of understanding Jesus' intent. What I said in other words is that it is true that Jesus is not only true God because He was both true God/Man at that time.This is the only way that the Father could be the only true God when comparing Him to Jesus,…[Read more]

Thanks Mike.

Kerwin,I am asking you to use the word 'root' in 'root of Jesse,' from Isa 11, in the same way that Hebrew word used there for 'root' is used when you refer to Jesus as the 'root of Jesse.' I gave you a list of where that particular Hebrew word is used in the OT and asked if you could show me in any of those verses where the Hebrew word means what…[Read more]

This verse can be read in more than one way:John 17:3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.1. The Father is the true God, Jesus is the true God/Man. The Father is not true God/Man. Jesus is not only true God, He is the true God/Man.2. Jesus is making a contrast, not between the Father…[Read more]

That is a complete misuse of the teaching about removing the plank in your own eye before removing the speck in your brother's eye. The plank and speck are both not true in that teaching.Matthew 71“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3…[Read more]

Also, btw, Thomas agrees with Ignatius by calling Jesus his Lord and his God.

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2013,00:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,19:03)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,23:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,17:48)This should get you a tile. All sorts of lies here. Reader please note:This comment is so full of lies it is awful and the moderator is so breaking the HN rules and the other moderator agrees with him. Both…[Read more]

The early fathers, when using the flame illustration, speak of eternally emitting from the source and that there never was a time that the flame did not emit from the source. I believe their point is you can't have one without the other, like you can't have a father without there being an offspring in existence for as long as the father was a…[Read more]

t8,You are not getting that I speak of two powers of YHWH.Cell (a) is the first power of YHWH in the illustration.Cell (b) is the second power of YHWH in the illustration.The first power of YHWH (cell a) brought out of Him the second power of YHWH (cell b). Cell B is identically the same as Cell A except it is a different cell. In other words,…[Read more]

No you don't Mike. If you truly believed that your heavenly Father existed from eternity, you would believe in an eternal Son.

Mike,Quote Because the scriptures I know about speak of Jesus having origins “from days of old”, and being the “firstborn of every creature”, and being “the beginning of the creation by God”, etc.And you do not understand ANY of those things accurately, imo.

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,23:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,17:48)This should get you a tile. All sorts of lies here. Reader please note:This comment is so full of lies it is awful and the moderator is so breaking the HN rules and the other moderator agrees with him. Both moderators are corrupt on HN. Both misrepresent me terribly and get away…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 25 2013,23:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,17:40)t8,I see that you have commentary about my post but you did not make a specific choice. Which choice is most correct? #1#2#3#4Kathi, I am not sure that any are correct because I cannot tell if there are definite articles or not. If you asked this question from a biblical verse, I…[Read more]

Mike,Are you afraid that if the 'Word' from John 1:1 existed eternally, then your theology is challenged?

Mike,A person can exist before they are named. Being named doesn't cause the 'existence' of their person. Did John the Baptist exist before he was named 'John?' Yes or No. Was he John before he was named 'John' in his father's mind?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2013,20:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,12:09)We are both wanting to exalt the Father and Son and Spirit to their proper places, jb2u. I place all three (I didn't say all three persons) right up there at the God Almighty level together as an eternal unity.I place Jesus at the “Servant of God Most High” level………[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Mar. 25 2013,20:26)Lightenup.. please do not misquote me. I never compared Jesus to the prophets/disciples!!!! I was pointing out that just because Jesus did “God things” does not mean that he was God or equal to God. To prove that point, I stated that the prophets/disciples also did “God things” and they are, in fact, not God or…[Read more]

Mike,Ignatius is saying:The Word was eternal, not proceeding forth from silence. I take that to mean…there wasn't a period of 'no word' (silence) before the eternal word proceeded forth.

Mike,So can you admit that Jesus was possibly given the name Jehovah by His Father?

This is good from Ignatius, the one discipled by John the Evangelist who wrote John 1:1. I would think that He would have a proper understanding of whether the 'Word' that was in the beginning was 'made' or not. Quote Chapter VII.—Beware of false teachers.For some are in the habit of carrying about the name in wicked guile, while yet they p…[Read more]