Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2013,21:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,00:03)The word 'will' is not a good translation since the word 'tread' is in the present indicative active and not in the future tense.  In both cases, the blood shed was pre-battle it seems. After the battle, His garments are covered with more blood, the blood of the kings…[Read more]

Where have I ever said that Jesus was the only true God, t8? I write of the two powers of YHVH…The Father and the Word of YHVH. You deny that the Word of YHVH is YHVH also.

Quote (jb2u @ April 03 2013,10:31)Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,13:24)I can see two possibilities as to why Jesus says that.1. He is comparing His Father to the gods of the nations of the earth in which Jesus is walking among.2. Jesus is not just God, the Son, but God/Man the Son. The Father is only true God, not true God/Man like Jesus.In no…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ April 03 2013,10:14)Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,12:59)I think that you are putting too much importance in pronouns. For instance, read this passage in Hosea 14 and notice how the pronouns for the same subject (Israel) change from plural to singular.  So, my point is that you do not have a solid argument that God is one person…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ April 03 2013,10:31)Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,13:24)I can see two possibilities as to why Jesus says that.1. He is comparing His Father to the gods of the nations of the earth in which Jesus is walking among.2. Jesus is not just God, the Son, but God/Man the Son. The Father is only true God, not true God/Man like Jesus.In no…[Read more]

Hi Daniel,Good post…may God give you strength and endurance and wisdom on here.

I have been saying the same thing in different words, t8 but you laugh. The fact is that there is more than one Root of Jesse. Why would you think that the other Root would not be the Father since He made all through another Root? Or who do you think the other root/s is/are?

Quote (david @ April 02 2013,01:19)Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2013,16:53)Oh, David, it's so hard for you to admit that Jesus receives deity worship in the Bible.All things were made by HimHe is the Lord of allHe is the Lion of JudahHe is the Root of JesseHe is the First and the LastHe is the Alpha and the OmegaHe is the Lord of lordsHe is the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2013,07:59)Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2013,11:53)Oh, David, it's so hard for you to admit that Jesus receives deity worship in the Bible.All things were made by HimHe is the Lord of allHe is the Lion of JudahHe is the Root of JesseHe is the First and the LastHe is the Alpha and the OmegaHe is the Lord of lordsHe is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 02 2013,07:47)Jesus is worshipped as the son of God and the Lamb of God in the Bible.Not as God though. It says, God AND the Lamb in Revelation. Worthy is God AND the Lamb that was slain. Something like that.Kathi probably wants it to say that God was slain and is worshipped. But no, the Lamb of God was slain and is considered…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 02 2013,05:23)Kathi your root and shoot arguements honestly make me laugh.All I can see is you shooting yourself in the foot. Shoot and foot.t8,Perhaps you ought to ask Jesus what He meant when He reveals Himself as the Root and Offspring of David and also revealed as the Root of Jesse and not rely on your own understanding.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 02 2013,05:21)Kathi you are getting all confused over what the Logos was before it was with God. The early fathers taught much on this subject and basically said that the Word Power that was in God was brought forth as the first work.It is quite something else to say that the Word Power in God was a different mind to God, even…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 02 2013,05:17)Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2013,18:40)In this one verse, the LORD calls Israel a 'them' and a 'him.'Hosea 14:4I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.You have a problem with the way God words things, t8?First you have failed 'article theology' from John 1:1.Now…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Mar. 29 2013,07:07)Lightenup…So what is your interpretation when Jesus says thatHis Father is the one true God?FYI, I keep “Coming back” because I'm the original poster of this thread. I do not ever mind the challenge, but that is not what this thread is about.jb2u,This thread is about finding a church that does not teach the…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Mar. 29 2013,06:55)Lightenup…So you do not answer the questions that I asked and did not understand the use of “one”.The bride is many, but where is the word “one”?Now we know “one” here is “one set” because we see the “we”.”That they may be one as we are one.Do you see it? WE, so again, they are one set, NOT one God! WE though…[Read more]

Quote (Jeremy @ Mar. 30 2013,09:09)LightenupI come on here and there is alot of clever people who can tell you what this greek word means or what somthing means in hebrew, I`m not one of those people, I`m not even that good at english and sometimes just to right a post can take a silly amount of time. However the bible tells me that truth is…[Read more]

Great Signs from around the country.On a Septic Tank Truck in Oregon:Yesterday's Meals on WheelsOn a Septic Tank Truck sign:”We're #1 in the #2 business.”Sign over a Gynecologist's Office:”Dr.. Jones, at your cervix.”At a Proctologist's door”To expedite your visit please back in.”On a Plumber's truck:”We repair what your husband fixed.”On a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,16:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,16:43)Ok, now let's see if you break any of the above.You believe that the LORD (YHVH) your God is only the Father. You also believe that Jesus is another god…a lessor god as the Son of God.I believe that the LORD my God is the Father, Son with their Holy Spirit.We are to worship no…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,16:07)Plenty of scholars disagree. Even many Trinitarian scholars agree that the 'theos' without the article in John 1:1c is qualitative.You have this habit of denying anything that goes against your theology. Whereas, at least I accept that there are other views and that many verses can be altered depending on placing of…[Read more]

The creator and redeemer…the Father through the Son and Spirit.