Quote (t8 @ April 02 2013,07:47)Jesus is worshipped as the son of God and the Lamb of God in the Bible.Not as God though. It says, God AND the Lamb in Revelation. Worthy is God AND the Lamb that was slain. Something like that.Kathi probably wants it to say that God was slain and is worshipped. But no, the Lamb of God was slain and is considered…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 02 2013,05:23)Kathi your root and shoot arguements honestly make me laugh.All I can see is you shooting yourself in the foot. Shoot and foot.t8,Perhaps you ought to ask Jesus what He meant when He reveals Himself as the Root and Offspring of David and also revealed as the Root of Jesse and not rely on your own understanding.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 02 2013,05:21)Kathi you are getting all confused over what the Logos was before it was with God. The early fathers taught much on this subject and basically said that the Word Power that was in God was brought forth as the first work.It is quite something else to say that the Word Power in God was a different mind to God, even…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 02 2013,05:17)Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2013,18:40)In this one verse, the LORD calls Israel a 'them' and a 'him.'Hosea 14:4I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.You have a problem with the way God words things, t8?First you have failed 'article theology' from John 1:1.Now…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Mar. 29 2013,07:07)Lightenup…So what is your interpretation when Jesus says thatHis Father is the one true God?FYI, I keep “Coming back” because I'm the original poster of this thread. I do not ever mind the challenge, but that is not what this thread is about.jb2u,This thread is about finding a church that does not teach the…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Mar. 29 2013,06:55)Lightenup…So you do not answer the questions that I asked and did not understand the use of “one”.The bride is many, but where is the word “one”?Now we know “one” here is “one set” because we see the “we”.”That they may be one as we are one.Do you see it? WE, so again, they are one set, NOT one God! WE though…[Read more]

Quote (Jeremy @ Mar. 30 2013,09:09)LightenupI come on here and there is alot of clever people who can tell you what this greek word means or what somthing means in hebrew, I`m not one of those people, I`m not even that good at english and sometimes just to right a post can take a silly amount of time. However the bible tells me that truth is…[Read more]

Great Signs from around the country.On a Septic Tank Truck in Oregon:Yesterday's Meals on WheelsOn a Septic Tank Truck sign:”We're #1 in the #2 business.”Sign over a Gynecologist's Office:”Dr.. Jones, at your cervix.”At a Proctologist's door”To expedite your visit please back in.”On a Plumber's truck:”We repair what your husband fixed.”On a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,16:27)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 19 2013,16:43)Ok, now let's see if you break any of the above.You believe that the LORD (YHVH) your God is only the Father. You also believe that Jesus is another god…a lessor god as the Son of God.I believe that the LORD my God is the Father, Son with their Holy Spirit.We are to worship no…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,16:07)Plenty of scholars disagree. Even many Trinitarian scholars agree that the 'theos' without the article in John 1:1c is qualitative.You have this habit of denying anything that goes against your theology. Whereas, at least I accept that there are other views and that many verses can be altered depending on placing of…[Read more]

The creator and redeemer…the Father through the Son and Spirit.

Oh, David, it's so hard for you to admit that Jesus receives deity worship in the Bible.All things were made by HimHe is the Lord of allHe is the Lion of JudahHe is the Root of JesseHe is the First and the LastHe is the Alpha and the OmegaHe is the Lord of lordsHe is the great ShepherdHe is the Redeemer of IsraelHe purchased the church with His…[Read more]

Mike, contd.You said:Quote Jesus was begotten BY God. (Psalm 2:7, John 3:16)Jesus is a creation OF God. (Col 1:15, Rev 3:14)Jesus is the Son OF God. (Matt 16:16)Jesus is the Word/Spokesman OF God. (John 1:1, Rev 19:13)Jesus is the Messiah/Christ/Anointed One OF God. (Luke 2:11, Acts 2:36)Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb OF God. (John 1:29, Rev…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,14:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2013,23:24)………i didn't ignore it for some trick. I just spoke about what I thought was his main point. I don't have time to always address everything………….And by His simple will the Word sprang forth……… became the firstbegotten work of the Father…………. we…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 01 2013,17:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 29 2013,18:47)God the Father, sent God the Son. Two persons in unity, not melded together.No fail here, just rocky soil that heard this before but the wind blew it away.Oh so you are unique in that God is not a substance as the Trinitarians teach.So God HIM is really THEY.Got it. Makes…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,19:42)(4)  Now there are many who are sincerely concerned about religion, and who fall here into great perplexity. They are afraid that they may be proclaiming two theos and their fear drives them into doctrines which are false and wicked.Who here refuses to accept John 1:1 the way it was written, due to a fear…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 27 2013,21:45)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,01:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2013,20:14)I believe the Tatian quote is showing how the Father did not become less when He begat from Himself another person, like how one flame can start another flame without becoming less than it was before. It is the idea of being fruitful by…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 27 2013,21:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,23:06)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Because the scriptures I know about speak of Jesus having origins “from days of old”, and being the “firstborn of every creature”, and being “the beginning of the creation by God”, etc.And you do not understand ANY of those things accurately,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 27 2013,18:31)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2013,12:04)Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2013,23:38)Also notice the words “But He came into being”.What does that tell you?t8A tree comes into being from a seed, that doesn't mean it's coming into being was a beginning of existence. It just means that it came into being in a different state. It…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,17:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2013,05:26)The Roots sent the Shoot and yet the Shoot is the continuation of one of the Roots, therefore one of the Roots and the Shoot are the same person as Jesus says that He is the Root and Offspring of David. The first Root sent the second Root to continue it's life in a Shoot and as a…[Read more]