Or…the seed contains the tree in its earliest form. The fertilized egg contains the chick in its earliest form. The fertilized ovum contains the human being in its earliest form.All of the above are true, it just depends on how you look at it in the context.

Quote Have you not already agreed that the word 'man' without the article is referring to nature of man rather than a specific man?I don't believe that I agreed to that. I said that the word 'man' without the article is referring to man in general or mankind.Quote If you understand that, and you acknowledge that Judas was demon like, when he was…[Read more]

t8,Quote Great, you then deny that he is the only true God.I have said that He is not the only true God the Father, He is however the only true Begotten God the Son and the word 'God' can be applied to the 'God unity' in general or to each member depending on context.

Quote (t8 @ April 04 2013,01:39)Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2013,16:03)So who is the other Root, t8?What is it that you are trying to prove.Then I might look at this if I find it worth my time.t8,If you say that Jesus is the Root because all things are made by Him, then realize that there is another Root because the 'Roots' of Jesse is a plural…[Read more]

jb2u,you said:Quote You apparently do not believe in the trinity (I think?), but probably go to a church that believes in it. God tells us to stay away from such doctrines, right? God knew that churches would become corrupted by satan. He knew the ungodly would take up the Bible and go into the church!! That is why he gave us the Bible and the…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ April 04 2013,07:44)Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2013,12:46)jb2u,Where is a scripture that says 'He is one' as in 'echad' in the original language and it talks about Jehovah? Please don't cite the Shema because there is NO 'He' in the original language, fyi.You are right the Shema does not say “He is one.” It actually uses His name so…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2013,21:07)Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,20:06)There you go then. If Isaiah is referring to the same rider in Rev. then Jehovah who is the rider in Isa 63 is also the Lamb who is the rider in Rev.And who says the rider in Rev is the same as the one “striding” in Is 63?Mike,Do you believe that Isa 63 is referring to…[Read more]

Ok, I just re-read Isa 63, and there is no mention of the speaker being a rider on a horse, that was my assumption, sorry. That doesn't mean that He wasn't on a horse, never-the-less, the passages speak about the same event apparently, and use the same ideas.

There you go then. If Isaiah is referring to the same rider in Rev. then Jehovah who is the rider in Isa 63 is also the Lamb who is the rider in Rev.

So who is the other Root, t8?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2013,21:21)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,00:03)Notice that in Isaiah 63, the person with the robe claims that his own arm brought salvation to him, his own wrath sustained him.Okay.  And how exactly does this make Jesus BE the Almighty God he is the servant of?It is already clear from John that Jesus was the arm of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2013,21:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,00:03)The word 'will' is not a good translation since the word 'tread' is in the present indicative active and not in the future tense.  In both cases, the blood shed was pre-battle it seems. After the battle, His garments are covered with more blood, the blood of the kings…[Read more]

Where have I ever said that Jesus was the only true God, t8? I write of the two powers of YHVH…The Father and the Word of YHVH. You deny that the Word of YHVH is YHVH also.

Quote (jb2u @ April 03 2013,10:31)Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,13:24)I can see two possibilities as to why Jesus says that.1. He is comparing His Father to the gods of the nations of the earth in which Jesus is walking among.2. Jesus is not just God, the Son, but God/Man the Son. The Father is only true God, not true God/Man like Jesus.In no…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ April 03 2013,10:14)Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,12:59)I think that you are putting too much importance in pronouns. For instance, read this passage in Hosea 14 and notice how the pronouns for the same subject (Israel) change from plural to singular.  So, my point is that you do not have a solid argument that God is one person…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ April 03 2013,10:31)Quote (Lightenup @ April 03 2013,13:24)I can see two possibilities as to why Jesus says that.1. He is comparing His Father to the gods of the nations of the earth in which Jesus is walking among.2. Jesus is not just God, the Son, but God/Man the Son. The Father is only true God, not true God/Man like Jesus.In no…[Read more]

Hi Daniel,Good post…may God give you strength and endurance and wisdom on here.

I have been saying the same thing in different words, t8 but you laugh. The fact is that there is more than one Root of Jesse. Why would you think that the other Root would not be the Father since He made all through another Root? Or who do you think the other root/s is/are?

Quote (david @ April 02 2013,01:19)Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2013,16:53)Oh, David, it's so hard for you to admit that Jesus receives deity worship in the Bible.All things were made by HimHe is the Lord of allHe is the Lion of JudahHe is the Root of JesseHe is the First and the LastHe is the Alpha and the OmegaHe is the Lord of lordsHe is the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2013,07:59)Quote (Lightenup @ April 02 2013,11:53)Oh, David, it's so hard for you to admit that Jesus receives deity worship in the Bible.All things were made by HimHe is the Lord of allHe is the Lion of JudahHe is the Root of JesseHe is the First and the LastHe is the Alpha and the OmegaHe is the Lord of lordsHe is…[Read more]