So jb2u,Why would Jesus be a theos in the beginning if He was not to have authority over anyone as a theos?Let's try this…you say He is Lord and that is true. Is God also Lord in your understanding?

jb2u,My question to you was: who is Jesus a theos for. For instance, there is a god of Ekron for instance. Who is Jesus a theos of?? Please answer this before I take your new questions. Thanks.

Abe,No, the people that get the name written on them are not God.

Hi Charles,Yes, I see eternal unity. Holy Elohim are He.

Kerwin,The belief in the two powers of Yahweh was a teaching of the Jews. Read this:http://www.twopowersinheaven.com/

Mike,you said:Quote But don't forget that the god mentioned in verse 8 has a God of his own who anointed him and set him above his companions in verse 9. So the god mentioned in verse 8 is obviously not “THE God” – as in the Most High God. Instead, it was the Most High God in verse 9 who anointed this other god, and set him on high.Let's not…[Read more]

Now Mike, jammin made it clear to you that it depends on how you use the word 'being.' He agrees with me that they are two individual beings in this quote:Quote t depends on how you use the word beingdo you understand what i mean?you said kerwin and his father are two individual BEINGS.yes it is true. in that sentence, the word “being” refer to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,21:35)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,08:47)Mike,Actually Heb 1:8 has the article 'the' as in 'the God.'Yes, I know Kathi.  You snooze, you lose.  Kerwin already pointed that out pages ago (although I've know about the word “ho” in that verse for years, thanks to discussions with Jack and Keith).But don't f…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,21:39)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,08:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 16 2013,20:31)Yeah Pierre.  It's hard to read Heb 1:8 and still refuse to believe Jesus is a god.It is hard to believe that you have trouble connecting the theos of Heb 1:8 who is the' Word' of John 1:1 with the 'Word of Jehovah' in Gen 15:1-7…[Read more]

“Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me…”The Father's name is Jehovah/Yahweh.

Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,21:00)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,20:43)Kerwin,You neglect the Jewish understanding of the “Word of Jehovah” as given to us in the Targums. The Targums reflect the Jewish understanding of that title. The Targums apply that title to the Jehovah that speaks to them. The OT tells us clearly that the Word of Jehovah…[Read more]

Two individual beings.

Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,20:38)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2013,07:18)There are two who are both called Yahweh, Kerwin. The Father gave His name to His Son also. There is Yahweh whom the Word is of and Yahweh who is the Word. Gen 15. They were with each other in the beginning. They are one.LU,You seem not to understand what is in a name.…[Read more]

The two who are called Yahweh as individuals are together one Yahweh unity.The Holy Elohim are He.

There are two who are both called Yahweh, Kerwin. The Father gave His name to His Son also. There is Yahweh whom the Word is of and Yahweh who is the Word. Gen 15. They were with each other in the beginning. They are one.

Quote (jb2u @ April 18 2013,11:17)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2013,02:22)jb2j, 2 Cor 4:4 does not mention Satan specifically, you and others imply this, but Jehovah has a history of blinding the mind of unbelievers and belittling the wisdom of man.Anyway theos is applied to others but theos and Jehovah are both applied to the Son who is the…[Read more]

jb2j, 2 Cor 4:4 does not mention Satan specifically, you and others imply this, but Jehovah has a history of blinding the mind of unbelievers and belittling the wisdom of man.Anyway theos is applied to others but theos and Jehovah are both applied to the Son who is the Word.Quote Let's not make the mistake of finding a verse that calls Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2013,18:54)Quote (t8 @ April 10 2013,01:58)In English we may understand that he is being called 'a god', but technically speaking, he is being called THE God if that translation is correct. And which God is that? The begotten one.Kathi recently pointed out the obvious fact that anyone who is called “THE god” in any…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2013,18:22)Quote (t8 @ April 09 2013,20:38)Thanks Mike. I feel like we will cover much more ground and learn stuff compared to debating those who just regurgitate the same stuff. This is kinda what I prefer.Fantastic.  Quote (t8 @ April 09 2013,20:38)Before I start to reply, I should first just say that I do not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 12 2013,23:16)Quote (t8 @ April 12 2013,00:50)Judas being called a devil is an example.And what exactly is “a devil”, t8?  A devil is a “false accuser”, and a “slanderer” – according to Strong.Was Judas actually a “false accuser”?  If he was, then he was actually “a devil”, right?  So no need to imagine that Jesus really m…[Read more]