Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,23:40)Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,22:22)Mike,Do you think God is an angel?An angel of WHO, Kathi?  Who is it that sends Almighty YHWH to deliver his message?Is that a no?

Mikeyou askedQuote Why? Fathers beget, God creates. If Jehovah literally begot me, He would be my FATHER – but why would He be my GOD?Because He is God.If the President of the U.S. begat you, he would be your father and your president. Right? That President, if he only had one child, would only be both the President and father to one person. He…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,23:38)Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,22:06)Jesus was a theos being, not an angel being, Mike. Get it straight.Show me the difference in the scriptures, Kathi.  Show me how the angel “Jesus” is a “god BEING”, while the other “gods” in Ps 82 are not “god BEINGS”.What SCRIPTURE tells us that the angel/god Jesus…[Read more]

Mike,Jesus is not lessor than God, Jesus is God. He is very God of very God.

Mike,An almighty theos nature is a distinct and unique nature that is shared by the Father and the only begotten Son only.

Mike,Do you think God is an angel?

Jesus was a theos being, not an angel being, Mike. Get it straight.

Mike,I never said Jesus was an angel being. Are some men angel beings, Mike?

Hi abe,Acts 1514Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name.

jammin, I understand you. You are not hard to understand. Hang in there and don't let them get to you.

Bo,Again, the Shema does not conflict with an eternal unity that is both God of gods AND Lord of lords. Those 'hoops' you speak of are scriptural truths that are just as valid as all other scriptural truths. The original text says the Holy Elohim are He. You can ignore it if you want but when you meet the LORD and He asks you why you ignored this…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,19:52)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,21:48)Let's not forget that fathers naturally have a position higher than their sons.And let's not forget that gods naturally have a higher position than those they are the god of.  So Jesus is lesser than his God and Father on at least two counts.  And even though Jesus is “…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,19:48)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,21:36)Why do you refer to Heb 1:8 as 'a' theos instead of 'the' theos?Why does scripture refer to the Father as “a god”?  Anyone who is “THE god” of anything is, by necessity, “A god”, right?And it is abundantly clear from Heb 1:9 that this particular god, who was mentioned…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,19:42)Oh, and don't forget that the nation of Israel was also “called by the name of YHWH”.  Does that make THEM “YHWH Himself”?Kathi, stop looking for specks and ignoring the planks.The speck is that Israel is called BY the name of YHVH. All of us, if we are truly Christians are called by the name of YHVH. That…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,19:41)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,21:32)Mike,Gen 15 clearly says that the Word of Yahweh is Yahweh.And many people in the OT refer to the angel God sent as “YHWH”.Are you saying that Jesus is one of God's many angels?  Because you can't have it both ways, Kathi.Jesus is not one of many created angels. He was…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,19:39)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,21:11)And Israel saw the great strong hand of God, what He did to the Egyptians. They feared God and believed in His Word and in His servant Moses.So would this “Word” have been the angel of God that God sent ahead of the Israelites?Mike,From what I can tell, the Angel of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,19:36)Quote (Lightenup @ April 18 2013,09:10)There is a difference between those sons who are merely called theos and the only one who was begotten as theos.Agreed.  Jesus was the firstborn, while all the others came after.  Jesus has been endowed with much more, since he received the firstborn's share of the i…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,08:11)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2013,11:03)Kerwin,The belief in the two powers of Yahweh was a teaching of the Jews. Read this:http://www.twopowersinheaven.com/LU,Some off the Canaanites, polytheists, believed in two essential powers.  Dr. Michael S. Heiser is interpretation the Hebrew bible in its Canaanite…[Read more]

Hi jb2u,You said that Jesus is Lord of everyone except God.Who did the OT Jews believe was the Lord of everyone?

jb2u,So what or who is Jesus Lord of?