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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 13 years ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 04 2013,21:41)Quote (Lightenup @ May 04 2013,10:04)David, I notice that when you want to show that prokyneo doesn't necessarily mean worship you use the example of the mock worship. When those that were crucifying Jesus were bowing to Him, they were worshipping Him albeit in a mocking way.How about this one, Kathi:John 938…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 13 years ago

    Mike,Isn't eternal salvation the ultimate salvation? Is Jehovah the only Savior of only a lessor salvation and Jesus the savior of the ultimate salvation? THINK.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 13 years ago

    How many saviors can you find that are saviors of our sin?? Do you think that might be what Jehovah means by stating that He is our only Savior?

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    Bo, Yes we will be judged according to how we responded to the Father's will. I don't believe denying that He has an only begotten Son and also denying the death and resurrection of that only begotten Son is responding in an acceptable manner to the will of the Father though!Philippians 29Because of this, God has also greatly exalted him and he…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 13 years ago

    Quote (david @ May 03 2013,23:24)These are interesting points:God alone is the creator. (Yet Jesus was involved in creation)God alone is saviour. (Yet, Jesus is called saviour)The father is the “only true God.”  (Yet, Jesus is called god) When you put enough if these together in a string, it does seem like evidence. Here is another one: God alone…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 13 years ago

    Quote (david @ May 03 2013,23:19)The problem with saying someone worshipped Jesus, is the word proskyneo.  It doesn't necessarily mean “worship.”  Example: when killing jesus, they spit upon Jesus, mocking him, they “worshipped” him according to the KJV.  They were NOT worshipping him, but BOWING DOWN to him, in a mocking way.  Many bibles und…[Read more]

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    Bo,In 2 Tim 4:11 it clearly says that Christ Jesus is to judge the living and the dead. The way He may do it is by us letting us watch ourselves deny Him and His words sometime during our life. Our words are recorded in heaven, btw. In that manner, it is not He that has to make a decision as to whether or not we denied Him but our past words and…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and jb2u only in the forum Debates 13 years ago

    Ok jb2u here is your question:You believe that Jesus is not Jehovah God but he is another god. True or false?

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 13 years ago

    Great post Daniel!

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    Composed of course! Check your email.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and jb2u only in the forum Debates 13 years ago

    Jb2u,I pause and prayerfully consider most questions about scripture that I get on here including that one. The opportunity to do so since this is a message board and not a live chat is what I prefer. I take this seriously and fear God. I have the personality that strongly desires to be accurate and to know the truth about things.

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    Bo,Jesus did not come in the flesh to judge men but to save them. In the future He does judge all men. Did you not know that?2 Timothy 4 1I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke,…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,19:29)Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,23:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,23:40)Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,22:22)Mike,Do you think God is an angel?An angel of WHO, Kathi?  Who is it that sends Almighty YHWH to deliver his message?Is that a no?Correct.  I don't think the Most High God is an angel.Good. B…[Read more]

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    t8,Quote So if there is no definite article in “the Word was theos”, then it too takes on a qualitative meaning even though it differs from 'devil' in that 'theos' is actually a noun.Not so! There are many times (some even in John 1) that have theos without the definite article and it is clearly not taking on a qualitative meaning. You don't seem…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,19:26)Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,23:01)If the President of the U.S. begat you, he would be your father and your president. Right?Good point, Kathi.  But would the son the President begot be “part of” the President?  Would he be “Co-President” or something?  In other words, would he be “The Son of PO…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,19:05)Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,22:45)Mike,Jesus is not lessor than God, Jesus is God.John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.Who SENT Jesus into the world?  It says “God”, right?  And who is greater – the one who SENDS, or the one who I…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2013,08:15)Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2013,07:37)Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,08:11)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2013,11:03)Kerwin,The belief in the two powers of Yahweh was a teaching of the Jews. Read this:http://www.twopowersinheaven.com/LU,Some off the Canaanites, polytheists, believed in two essential powers.  Dr.…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,19:21)Quote (Lightenup @ April 20 2013,22:48)The others were not perfect, Jesus was. Only God beings are perfect and must be perfect and uncreated.Luke 13:32And He said to them, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’Hebrews 2:1…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 13 years ago

    t8, I have a new question for you. You believe that Jesus is not The God but he is another god. True or false?

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    Mike,Harrison Ford and I had a moment together…I waved, he nodded…so, yeah that was our moment, ha. I have no lines but I sit two rows right behind him in the stadium during a long monologue with the Phillies manager and so I can be seen several times in the movie if you know what to look for. I'll send you a picture of the scene if you would…[Read more]

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