Mike,you saidQuote And I also realize that just as Jesus lives BECAUSE OF the Father, we can live because of him. Just as the Father has eternal life in Him, so He has GRANTED the Son to also have eternal life in him. I learned these things from Jesus himself, Kathi.Did it say that He granted the Son to have 'eternal' life or just 'life?' The…[Read more]

Mike,you saidQuote I realize that Jesus WAS with the Father in the beginning. He was created as the FIRST of God's works, remember? I remember that you are trying to force that idea but even the NET translators do not agree that He was created who prefer that word 'created' in Prov 8:22…remember??

Quote (david @ May 08 2013,17:26)Hi LU,Sure.  I'm not super fond of the discussions where if you don't answer questions, you get a tile.  What actually would we be discussing?  Proskyneo?What you said about the son being called Jehovah?David,I suggested we discuss things in the discussion area, not the hot seat. The hot seat is where you get a ti…[Read more]

Bo,Jesus is both the Root AND the Shoot. Jesus was the Root in the beginning as the Word of God. When the Root also became the Shoot, well that is when He became flesh.

David, I was wondering if you would be interested in having a thread in the discussion area where we can discuss these things one on one. It would be easier to keep an uninterrupted flow. I am not interested in a formal debate, just a continuous conversation that comes and goes as it may. What do you think? I would like to address your recent…[Read more]

Abe,Jesus' flesh died but His spirit continued to live. Do you believe that your spirit will die with your body when it is your time to die or will your spirit continue to live elsewhere?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2013,22:03)Quote (Lightenup @ May 06 2013,20:53)The eternal son is what I want you to disprove…………….Shouldn't you first PROVE there IS such a thing as an “eternal son”?   Doesn't the word “son”, in and of itself, imply a BEGINNING?  It should.  And if it doesn't in your mind, because your mind is polluted wi…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 06 2013,22:00)Quote (Lightenup @ May 06 2013,20:38)Mike,Is it against the will of Jehovah to give obeisance to another god? Yes or no?This is nothing but more tweaking, Kathi.  Did men bow to angels in the OT?  Did they bow to angels they later identified as gods?  YES to both.What you are trying (UNSUCCESSFULLY) to do is…[Read more]

I agree with Hezekiah just fine. The Jehovah God of Israel is both the God of gods and the Lord of lords. You have disagreements with the many times that Jesus is called theos and connected with making all things in heaven and earth in the scriptures.Bo, do scriptures call Jesus a theos? Does scriptures say that all things were made by Jesus? John…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 06 2013,16:49)Quote (Lightenup @ May 07 2013,05:37)Quote (david @ May 06 2013,01:12)Quote Also please tell me whats stopping you from believeing Jesus is the eternal Son, the eternal expressed image that is expressed/radiated from the Father, who is indeed The Almightly Father  There are about 700 things.  I do see the 300 t…[Read more]

David,you said:Quote Well, I think it's pointless discussing a scripture that has proskyneo in it and could be translated in a number of ways.  It proves nothing, except that that translation team wanted to show Jesus being worshipped.Is it against the will of Jehovah for another god to be given proskuneó??

Mike,Is it against the will of Jehovah to give obeisance to another god? Yes or no?

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Quote (david @ May 06 2013,00:38)Quote (Lightenup @ May 05 2013,03:18)Quote (david @ May 03 2013,23:24)These are interesting points:God alone is the creator. (Yet Jesus was involved in creation)God alone is saviour. (Yet, Jesus is called saviour)The father is the “only true God.”  (Yet, Jesus is called god) When you put enough if these together…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 06 2013,01:12)Quote Also please tell me whats stopping you from believeing Jesus is the eternal Son, the eternal expressed image that is expressed/radiated from the Father, who is indeed The Almightly Father  There are about 700 things.  I do see the 300 things that make some believe in the trinity.  But I also see the 700 th…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 06 2013,00:18)Quote (Lightenup @ May 05 2013,03:04)Quote (david @ May 03 2013,23:19)The problem with saying someone worshipped Jesus, is the word proskyneo.  It doesn't necessarily mean “worship.”  Example: when killing jesus, they spit upon Jesus, mocking him, they “worshipped” him according to the KJV.  They were NOT wo…[Read more]

Whammmo…and there it is, you just have to pull the rope, ha. Yep!

Hi abe,yes, as the 'shoot.'

Quote (abe @ May 04 2013,20:03)Quote (Lightenup @ May 04 2013,16:00)How many saviors can you find that are saviors of our sin?? Do you think that might be what Jehovah means by stating that He is our only Savior?Hi LU,2Tim.1:8   Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me (Paul) His prisoner, but join with me in suffering…[Read more]

But you are wrong, Bo, I worship one God above all else, I just realize that the one God, Jehovah, is both the God of gods AND the Lord of lords. You seem to think that Jehovah is only the God of gods. In fact you deny that Jehovah is Jesus, the Lord of lords. This is where you are outside of the will of God the Father, imo.