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    Quote The thing is Jesus is not YHVH. Nowhere in the whole Bible does it state that!!Wrong on this account also…I have run out of battery and need sleep anyways. More to come on this…

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    Quote And out of this stump, a root is produced which is Jesus. This root will flourish;In grade school you probably saw a picture of a plant with roots that are underground and from the roots the stem sprouts and from the stem, then we have the branches and from the branches we get fruit. We don't get more roots from out of the stem. There is a…[Read more]

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    Hmmm….let's count:1. the only true God2. Jesus Christ, the only Begotten GodThat's two!

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 11 months ago

    Quote Is “the Son of Man” someone OTHER THAN Jesus Christ? Did a spiritual Jesus live from eternity all on his own doing, but the Son of Man lived only BECAUSE OF his God? The Son of Man is Jesus according to the flesh but Jesus wasn't the Son of Man until He was given life in the flesh in the womb of Mary. The Son of Man was not alive before or…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 11 months ago

    Mike,The Lord God Almighty, the only Begotten God became flesh and died at the hands of human beings according to the flesh.

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    Quote Question: Do you believe that the ONLY TRUE GOD sent his son into the world and that the son he sent is not himself?Yes, if you are talking about the only true God that sent His Son, the only Begotten God, into the world who says (a revelation that God, the Father gave Him to share with us about Himself -Jesus, btw):8“I am the Alpha and t…[Read more]

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    You think I am anti-Christ??…what a delusion those demon monkeys have got you in, t8. I am trying to help you get them off your back, they are not your friends.

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    Quote Jesus is called the “word,” because he was Jehovah's prime spokesman, his prime messenger.  He was sent by God, to convey thoughts, just as a word does.  The spokesperson for a group is still a part of the group and speaks for the group which they themselves are a part of. Jesus speaks for Himself as well as the unity which He is r…[Read more]

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    Here David, this is something you can read regarding MRYA:http://www.scribd.com/doc….eshittO

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 11 months ago

    Quote Jesus lives BECAUSE OF the Father. Any life that Jesus has in him was GRANTED to him by his Father and God.Once again MIKE, that passage refers to the Son of Man that lives because of the Father. Read it and see that the Son of man is who is referred to in this regards.John 526For just as the Father has life in himself, thus he has granted…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 11 months ago

    Mike,The Root of Jesse came as the offspring of David to die at the hands of human beings. As the offspring of David He was lower than the angels.

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    Jb,Please tell me what word describes the Son's inherent nature as the Root of Jesse. Thanks!

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    Quote I should just ask: if Jehovah gave the name Jehovah to Jesus, why, when asking who Jesus was, did everyone above answer: “the son” or “the son of god,” rather than say “Jehovah”?He is called 'the Lord' quite frequently. The word “Lord” is used for the word Jehovah as well as man.

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    Quote (david @ May 14 2013,21:46)For me, asking if jesus is also Jehovah, seems very similar to asking: “Is the son also the father”.As my post made clear, Jesus was recognized as the “son” (of God) by a wide variety of persons.  He was known as the “son of God,” by those around him, and by those who accused him.Similarly, 1000 times in the…[Read more]

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    Oh, and I appreciate all the time that post took but I am not challenging the fact that the Father is not the Son. I totally agree.

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    Quote I see no real evidence that Jehovah (the Father) is called the son. Well, David, perhaps I have not made myself clear but I agree that Jehovah the Father is not called the Son, only Jesus is the Son of God. I am saying that Jehovah the Father gave his name to His Son…Do you know any fathers and sons that have the same name as each other.…[Read more]

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    This will put a great big smile on your face::D :p :;): :cool: :laugh: :)

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2013,20:48)Quote (Lightenup @ May 08 2013,22:00)Mike,you saidQuote And I also realize that just as Jesus lives BECAUSE OF the Father, we can live because of him.  Just as the Father has eternal life in Him, so He has GRANTED the Son to also have eternal life in him.  I learned these things from Jesus himself, Kathi.Did i…[Read more]

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    Quote The disciples did NOT commonly and boldly do miraculous things and speak boldly in “the name of another god.”!!!!I know that the disciples did not commonly and boldly do miraculous things and speak boldly in “the name of another god” because Jesus is YHVH in some manner. However you do not teach that because you believe that Jesus is not…[Read more]

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    Quote 1) I apologize for the “wording.” I admit that I do not really know your views entirely!! I believe that you are a very honest person that wants to believe the truth. Now, when I see you mention a “Godhead”, it really does not seem different to me than a “trinity concept.” As in, just another way to explain what exactly the trinity is. I see…[Read more]

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