Quote (t8 @ May 23 2013,23:20)Seriously Kathi, if I had lost nearly every point that I brought up as you have, I would seriously be considering my doctrine by now. But I suspect that you do not do this because you are running on emotions and reality and truth has disappeared for you.Are you not concerned for your soul? Is your pride worth more…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 23 2013,23:10)Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2013,16:50)That's silly. If I call you “t8 our moderator” I am still calling you t8.Jehovah has many descriptives given to Him as His name. Tell me which ones aren't Jehovah:JEHOVAH JIREH         (Jehovah our Provider)JEHOVAH RAPHA        (Jehovah our Healer)JEHOVAH RAAH          (Jehovah o…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 23 2013,21:57)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,13:56)You agree that Christ is the mighty theos at the right hand of the Father.So, it is scripturally correct to say the Church of Christ is the Church of the theos at the right hand of the Father. Therefore the Church of the theos which He purchased with His own blood, could…[Read more]

Bo,you said:Quote But if you say that Jesus is the son of David is David then the Son of God?Jesus is the Son of David according to His flesh which He received through the conception in Mary. Jesus was the eternal Son of God according to the Spirit long before He became also the Son of David. David and all created beings are also sons of God but…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 23 2013,22:35)Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2013,15:57)1Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father……….. ……the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.The w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2013,01:42)Kerwin,Quote I agree with these words but not the claim that the same person, who is intrinsically royal can also be intrinsically commoner at the same time.In the analogy, in the right kingdom, the person is inherently a man of royalty. In a completely different kingdom, the same person is not a person who is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2013,21:47)Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2013,08:14)Kerwin,What if the Spirit of God gives the Son freedom to speak and rule as He sees fit in certain situations, especially after His resurrection when He had been given all authority? Then the Son is the source of His own words and actions.See Kerwin, if person (A) was your…[Read more]

Mike,One who is inherently theos has a specific nature. Those who are not inherently theos do not have the same nature of one who is inherently theos.I believe that the Father and the Son are both inherently theos and share the specific nature which one would have to have in order to be inherently theos.

Quote Did you know then before he mentioned it?Yes / NoYes, I am the one who persisted in dragging it out of him. You can see this in the debate.

t8,you said:Quote I pray to God through the one name that I can be saved, Yeshua. Change another god for son of God and then you have it. The 'Son of God', according to you = 'another god'. Maybe I can take the time to test your theory and call it “The t8 Doctrine Test.” In this test I can find all or several of the verses that have “God the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 23 2013,21:17)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:26)Btw, you need to learn about coming in the name of another…it is about authority. That verse in John 5 has nothing to do with Jesus getting named the Father's name. The verse that tells us that Jesus' name is the same as the Father's is in John 17, and is first played out in the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 23 2013,21:12)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:26)t8, invoking another theos, bowing down to another theos in a manner of religious worship, making a covenant through another theos other than Jehovah, etc…is against the first commandment.I worship and pray to God through Jesus Christ my Lord.Against this there is no…[Read more]

Kerwin,What if the Spirit of God gives the Son freedom to speak and rule as He sees fit in certain situations, especially after His resurrection when He had been given all authority? Then the Son is the source of His own words and actions.See Kerwin, if person (A) was your authority that you were required to listen to and obey, and person (A) was…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 22 2013,21:24)“After these things the word of Jehovah came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. And Abram said, O Lord Jehovah, what….”Ok, this does not really seem to be proof of anything. Example:After these things, the word of the president came to me, the…[Read more]

Kerwin,Do you think that Jesus was ever the source of His own words?Are you ever the source of your own words?

Hi Bo, He is not denying that He is the Son of David, He is just getting the Pharisees to wonder how He can be both the Son of David and the Lord of David. See Gill's comments in this regards:Gill's Exposition of the Entire BibleAnd Jesus answered and said,…. To the Pharisees that were gathered together about him; See Gill on Matthew 22:41.While…[Read more]

Kerwin,The source of the words are from Jesus Christ whom Paul infers as someone other than human but whom you claim is merely human.You are really trying to force this text to fit into your doctrine, Kerwin. Ultimately you can say that the source of all things are from God, even any men's teachings because God made men able to teach. Paul is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2013,20:07)Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2013,13:34)Mike,Regarding Acts 20: 28, why do you have a problem with the verse as I posted it? You agree that the only begotten theos is the head of the church and He obtained it with His own blood, right?Because Kathi, when it is called “the Church of Christ”, it is referring to…[Read more]

Here is the result of my search for verses that contain the words “in a vision.”Quote Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep …In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep fallson people as they slumber in their beds …Acts 9:10 In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord …… The Lord called to…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 22 2013,21:17)Maybe it's the word “vision.”  A vision is a sight or scene, or message superimposed upon a persons mind while he is awake.  I don't believe that a vision has to necessarily involve sight, as if abram saw “the word of Jehovah.”Personification is often used in the bible.Well, do you agree that a person, Jesus, is n…[Read more]