t8,you said:Quote I pray to God through the one name that I can be saved, Yeshua. Change another god for son of God and then you have it. The 'Son of God', according to you = 'another god'. Maybe I can take the time to test your theory and call it “The t8 Doctrine Test.” In this test I can find all or several of the verses that have “God the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 23 2013,21:17)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:26)Btw, you need to learn about coming in the name of another…it is about authority. That verse in John 5 has nothing to do with Jesus getting named the Father's name. The verse that tells us that Jesus' name is the same as the Father's is in John 17, and is first played out in the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 23 2013,21:12)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:26)t8, invoking another theos, bowing down to another theos in a manner of religious worship, making a covenant through another theos other than Jehovah, etc…is against the first commandment.I worship and pray to God through Jesus Christ my Lord.Against this there is no…[Read more]

Kerwin,What if the Spirit of God gives the Son freedom to speak and rule as He sees fit in certain situations, especially after His resurrection when He had been given all authority? Then the Son is the source of His own words and actions.See Kerwin, if person (A) was your authority that you were required to listen to and obey, and person (A) was…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 22 2013,21:24)“After these things the word of Jehovah came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. And Abram said, O Lord Jehovah, what….”Ok, this does not really seem to be proof of anything. Example:After these things, the word of the president came to me, the…[Read more]

Kerwin,Do you think that Jesus was ever the source of His own words?Are you ever the source of your own words?

Hi Bo, He is not denying that He is the Son of David, He is just getting the Pharisees to wonder how He can be both the Son of David and the Lord of David. See Gill's comments in this regards:Gill's Exposition of the Entire BibleAnd Jesus answered and said,…. To the Pharisees that were gathered together about him; See Gill on Matthew 22:41.While…[Read more]

Kerwin,The source of the words are from Jesus Christ whom Paul infers as someone other than human but whom you claim is merely human.You are really trying to force this text to fit into your doctrine, Kerwin. Ultimately you can say that the source of all things are from God, even any men's teachings because God made men able to teach. Paul is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2013,20:07)Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2013,13:34)Mike,Regarding Acts 20: 28, why do you have a problem with the verse as I posted it? You agree that the only begotten theos is the head of the church and He obtained it with His own blood, right?Because Kathi, when it is called “the Church of Christ”, it is referring to…[Read more]

Here is the result of my search for verses that contain the words “in a vision.”Quote Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep …In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep fallson people as they slumber in their beds …Acts 9:10 In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord …… The Lord called to…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 22 2013,21:17)Maybe it's the word “vision.”  A vision is a sight or scene, or message superimposed upon a persons mind while he is awake.  I don't believe that a vision has to necessarily involve sight, as if abram saw “the word of Jehovah.”Personification is often used in the bible.Well, do you agree that a person, Jesus, is n…[Read more]

Quote So tell me….was Jesus a man while on Earth??Jesus was God, in the beginning by nature according to the Spirit (and scripture) and came to be also man according to the flesh after Mary conceived Him. He was both the Root and the Shoot while on earth. Not the way you think about roots though.Btw, jb, when asked who are your roots, do you…[Read more]

jb,I really appreciate your search but I do not agree with your conclusions. You add your bias to scriptures as we all do and we need to beware of this. If Jesus was only a man, we are lost in our sins. A principal established by Jehovah in the OT is that a righteous man can not die for the sins of even one other man let alone all other men. Also,…[Read more]

Hi Bo,Where does Jesus “DISAGREE” that He is the Son of David? I believe you are confused about this.

Quote And it is disingenuous of you to say that I am a Polytheist for the reason you gave.You are a polytheist because you do spiritual actions in the name of another theos. You pray in the name of another theos who is not Jehovah. You bow down to another theos in an act of worship who is not Jehovah. You believe in another theos for eternal life…[Read more]

That's fine to have the discussion moved here. I am not a polytheist, you are. You believe in many theos and you have them ranked. I believe in one Jehovah God who is both God of gods and Lord of lords.

jb2u,Before you go any further, I believe this passage from Paul rebukes what you are teaching:Clearly Paul is debunking your teaching about Jesus being merely a human being. He is also speaking very sternly about those that teach a different gospel, see the words in red:1Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and G…[Read more]

Kerwin,you said:Quote Jesus of Nazareth is that human.Clearly Paul is debunking your teaching about Jesus being merely a human being. He is also speaking very sternly about those that teach a different gospel, see the words in red:1Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the d…[Read more]

Kerwin,Quote I agree with these words but not the claim that the same person, who is intrinsically royal can also be intrinsically commoner at the same time.In the analogy, in the right kingdom, the person is inherently a man of royalty. In a completely different kingdom, the same person is not a person who is inherently a man of royalty in that…[Read more]

David,The thing about Gen 15 is that the one that Abram sees in the vision never says anything about 'the word of Jehovah says…' He just starts talking to him and throughout this vision, the one that Abram is seeing, says that He is Jehovah. In this passage below, I have put the words from the one in the vision that Abram saw in red and Abram's…[Read more]