jb,This is a well written document that expresses what I believe God has been teaching me when I went to Him, much like you, with a willingness to challenge the trinity doctrine. http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/WordChapter.pdf

Here you go t8…this is what I have been saying all along:http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/WordChapter.pdf

David, This is written as if it were me writing it concerning what we are discussing. http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/WordChapter.pdf

Quote (t8 @ May 24 2013,20:22)Origen considered that John wrote his gospel in Greek.“We next notice John’s use of the article in these sentences. He does not write without care in this respect, nor is he unfamiliar with the niceties of the Greek tongue. In some cases he uses the article, and in some he omits it. He adds the article to the Wor…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 24 2013,20:15)Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2013,19:23)kerwinJesus is theos in nature just as His Father is. Heb 1:3John the Baptist was human in nature just as his father was.Possessing or sharing in a nature doesn't make you a certain person.Eve shares Adam's nature and so do we. We are not Adam, but in nature we are.Likewise Jesus…[Read more]

Also, this debate is not over just because you are threatened. The t8 doctrine test is yet to come…I'll bet the readers will be enlightened by that.

Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:50)Quote (t8 @ May 23 2013,21:17)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:26)Btw, you need to learn about coming in the name of another…it is about authority. That verse in John 5 has nothing to do with Jesus getting named the Father's name. The verse that tells us that Jesus' name is the same as the Father's is in…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2013,23:34)Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2013,09:32)Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2013,21:47)Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2013,08:14)Kerwin,What if the Spirit of God gives the Son freedom to speak and rule as He sees fit in certain situations, especially after His resurrection when He had been given all authority? Then the Son is the…[Read more]

Kerwin,Do you have a corporeal body? Yes or no. Here is a definition of corporeal:cor·po·re·aladjective \kȯr-ˈpȯr-ē-əl\1: having, consisting of, or relating to a physical material body: asa : not spiritualb : not immaterial or intangible : substantial I believe that the scriptures call it 'earthly body.'For example:Col 3:5 Therefore consider th…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 23 2013,23:20)Seriously Kathi, if I had lost nearly every point that I brought up as you have, I would seriously be considering my doctrine by now. But I suspect that you do not do this because you are running on emotions and reality and truth has disappeared for you.Are you not concerned for your soul? Is your pride worth more…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 23 2013,23:10)Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2013,16:50)That's silly. If I call you “t8 our moderator” I am still calling you t8.Jehovah has many descriptives given to Him as His name. Tell me which ones aren't Jehovah:JEHOVAH JIREH         (Jehovah our Provider)JEHOVAH RAPHA        (Jehovah our Healer)JEHOVAH RAAH          (Jehovah o…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 23 2013,21:57)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,13:56)You agree that Christ is the mighty theos at the right hand of the Father.So, it is scripturally correct to say the Church of Christ is the Church of the theos at the right hand of the Father. Therefore the Church of the theos which He purchased with His own blood, could…[Read more]

Bo,you said:Quote But if you say that Jesus is the son of David is David then the Son of God?Jesus is the Son of David according to His flesh which He received through the conception in Mary. Jesus was the eternal Son of God according to the Spirit long before He became also the Son of David. David and all created beings are also sons of God but…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 23 2013,22:35)Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2013,15:57)1Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father……….. ……the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.The w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2013,01:42)Kerwin,Quote I agree with these words but not the claim that the same person, who is intrinsically royal can also be intrinsically commoner at the same time.In the analogy, in the right kingdom, the person is inherently a man of royalty. In a completely different kingdom, the same person is not a person who is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 23 2013,21:47)Quote (Lightenup @ May 24 2013,08:14)Kerwin,What if the Spirit of God gives the Son freedom to speak and rule as He sees fit in certain situations, especially after His resurrection when He had been given all authority? Then the Son is the source of His own words and actions.See Kerwin, if person (A) was your…[Read more]

Mike,One who is inherently theos has a specific nature. Those who are not inherently theos do not have the same nature of one who is inherently theos.I believe that the Father and the Son are both inherently theos and share the specific nature which one would have to have in order to be inherently theos.

Quote Did you know then before he mentioned it?Yes / NoYes, I am the one who persisted in dragging it out of him. You can see this in the debate.

t8,you said:Quote I pray to God through the one name that I can be saved, Yeshua. Change another god for son of God and then you have it. The 'Son of God', according to you = 'another god'. Maybe I can take the time to test your theory and call it “The t8 Doctrine Test.” In this test I can find all or several of the verses that have “God the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 23 2013,21:17)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,21:26)Btw, you need to learn about coming in the name of another…it is about authority. That verse in John 5 has nothing to do with Jesus getting named the Father's name. The verse that tells us that Jesus' name is the same as the Father's is in John 17, and is first played out in the…[Read more]