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    Quote (jb2u @ May 29 2013,17:59)Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2013,05:20)jb,The 'root of Jesse' is talking about Isaiah 11 where FROM the ROOTS of Jesse comes a branch. Obviously the two terms are not the same here.Isaiah 11 1A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.Even so, the meaning of the word does not…[Read more]

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    Quote (jb2u @ May 29 2013,17:57)Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2013,13:57)jb,This is a well written document that expresses what I believe God has been teaching me when I went to Him, much like you, with a willingness to challenge the trinity doctrine. http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/WordChapter.pdfThe first problem that I see with this article is that…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ May 30 2013,06:24)Must answer question.What is Yeshua's name?Here are a few of the names and titles of Jesus: :;): ADAMADVOCATEALMIGHTYALPHA AND OMEGAAMENAPOSTLE OF OUR PROFESSIONARM OF THE LORDAUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITHAUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATIONBEGINNING OF CREATION OF GODBELOVED SONBLESSED AND ONLY POTENTATEBRANCHBREAD OF…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ May 30 2013,06:13)Jesus is master/lord not YHWH God.In fact it was God who made him Lord.Where did this happen in scripture when the theos of John 1:1b make the theos of John 1:1c 'Lord?'A must answer question:Did you know that Jesus was already announced as Lord on the day when He was born as a man?Luke 2:10And the angel said to them,…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ May 30 2013,06:12)Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2013,07:23)Here is one:Philippians 2:11Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father.There is no other man called Jehovah.Philippians 2:1111 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is…[Read more]

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    Mike,you said:Quote And I don't need you to put your spin on things, Kathi. The fact that Gill, or your pastor, or the scholars you often quote think that “God the Son” is also named “Jehovah” does NOT equate to them believing in TWO Gods. They believe in “Jehovah the Father”, “Jehovah the Son”, and “Jehovah the Holy Spirit” – but they believe…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2013,19:44)Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2013,23:29) ….you still want to make the Father out to be the one who does the purchasing.You must have misunderstood something I said.  I KNOW that the Lamb and Servant OF “our God” is the one who shed his blood, Kathi.  With his blood, this Servant OF our God bought men FOR our G…[Read more]

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    Bo, ultimately, He did not ask to be saved from His Father's will.

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    Love this…thanks Paul!

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,22:12)Kathi,Your claim that there is an “eternal kind”, of which there are two members, is just an empty claim.Your claim that there are TWO Jehovahs, who are described all throughout scripture with SINGULAR pronouns, is also an empty claim.Your claim that we have TWO Almighty Gods is not only an empty claim, but…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,21:14)Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2013,20:43)This is really quite simple, Mike. This verse really settles the matter. There is no way in the world that you can twist that “you” to mean the one called God in v. 9 above.Revelation 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying:“You are worthy to take the scroll    and to open its…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 11 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,21:16)Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2013,20:43)Now have we finally settled who did the purchasing with the blood? Yes or No? If Yes, Mike tell me who it was that did the purchasing.Yes, I believe we did, Kathi.The one who bought men FOR GOD with his blood was someone OTHER THAN “our God”.Are we in agreement?Mike,The God…[Read more]

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    Bo,Quote If you answer a fool as his folly deserves it would be according to his own folly because the fool is wise in his own eyes. So do you answer a fool or not?Sometimes I don't answer a fool and sometimes I do with the intent to get them to realize they are NOT wise in their own eyes so they may be humbled and hopefully be open to learning…[Read more]

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    Quote (jb2u @ May 25 2013,09:45)Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2013,18:51)Quote So tell me….was Jesus a man while on Earth??Jesus was God, in the beginning by nature according to the Spirit (and scripture) and came to be also man according to the flesh after Mary conceived Him. He was both the Root and the Shoot while on earth. Not the way you think…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ May 28 2013,03:13)Kathi. Jesus came in his Father's name. Q: What is his Father's name?YHWH?Did Jesus come in his own name?No, he came in his Father's name.So he didn't come in the name of his name which is YHWH according to you.See that Kathi. That is commonly called a contradiction.He came in YHWH's name and he didn't come in YHWH's…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ May 28 2013,03:33)The “Ye” in Yeshua is the abbreviated form of YHWH, while “Shua” is from the Hebrew word 'salvation'. Jesus means “YHWH is salvation.”Isaiah means “salvation of the Lord”. It is basically the same meaning as Yeshua.Then we have other names like Elijah, Obadiah etc. It is plain to see that all of these use the name of…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ May 28 2013,01:52)Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2013,17:10)t8,Can you show me a person that has the word YHVH along with a seperate word as part of a compound name that is a man other than Jesus? You have only given examples of people with a one word name where the 'Yah' is within it?This is a must answer question, t8.Maybe I can. But I…[Read more]

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    Another question that will show that I am not biased but it is you who are biased to really not want YHVH to be a name for Jesus.Whose righteousness is the context talking about where the Branch is called Jehovah our Righteousness?Jeremiah 235″Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch; And He…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ May 27 2013,18:51)Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2013,19:17)Quote (t8 @ May 25 2013,02:04)Quote (Lightenup @ May 25 2013,19:55)Not so fast, t8. Please note that you did not answer this question:Tell me which one/ones aren't Jehovah:JEHOVAH JIREH         (Jehovah our Provider)JEHOVAH RAPHA        (Jehovah our Healer)JEHOVAH RAAH          (…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2013,19:18)Quote (Lightenup @ May 26 2013,22:59)Israel is named this because they are the recipients of His righteousness.Isn't Jesus also a recipient of Jehovah's righteousness?Quote (Lightenup @ May 26 2013,22:59)There is also a place named 'Jehovah our Provider' because that was a place where Jehovah provided the ram…[Read more]

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