you said:Quote Even if you could prove that Peter is referring only to Jesus when He states “our God and Savior”, this does not prove that Peter is calling Jesus the Almighty God!!It is proving that Peter is calling Jesus OUR God and Savior. You say Jesus is no ones God/god. You do not agree with scripture here.you said:Quote Second, I have…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ June 29 2013,14:18)Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2013,05:44)Those 14 translations Do call Jesus 'our God and Savior.' Are you blind? Shall we take a poll and show you that it is clearly written? Do you want to embarrass yourself?Peter knows just what he is saying. Both Jesus AND the Father are God in his understanding.First, Peter…[Read more]

Ok Pierre,

Bo,you said:Quote You can not rise on the third day and still not rise on the third dayYou can if you understand it this way:He rose ON the third day by rising during the third 24 hour period since He died.He rose AFTER three days (daylight) and three nights (darkness).Also, what does Leviticus 7:18 have to do with Jesus rising on the third day?…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 30 2013,09:26)Quote (kerwin @ June 28 2013,02:47)Quote (Lightenup @ June 28 2013,01:42)Agreed, Kerwin, they are not the same definition.I don't believe that the offspring of God (the ONLY Begotten Son) is the 'Spirit of God.' I believe that the offspring is the only begotten Son who is like His Father in attributes and nature,…[Read more]

Pierre,One month since what?

Question to you: Are you going to admit that those 14 translations have this written it them in that verse 'our God and Savior Jesus Christ' or shall I set up a poll so your eyes will be opened?

If sharp's rule were influenced by satan, it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. It stands! And, yes an unwritten rule of grammar can be written after it has been in use. Do you think languages begin with all the rules written out or does it evolve and become established and then the rules are realized?Answer to your question…yes. Again if satan is…[Read more]

Those 14 translations Do call Jesus 'our God and Savior.' Are you blind? Shall we take a poll and show you that it is clearly written? Do you want to embarrass yourself?Peter knows just what he is saying. Both Jesus AND the Father are God in his understanding.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2013,19:52)Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2013,13:57)John the Baptist always had ready for him, his name 'John,'……….This is not hard.If there is a point in time when John DID NOT have that name, then there is a point in time where “John” was NOT YET “John”.Having a name “ready for” someone, and then at some point…[Read more]

Mike, If a father is self-existing, there needs to be a self-existing offspring as well whether begotten or yet to be begotten.Also, the 'origin' was referring to the Son of man. The plan that there would be an incarnation had its origin in ancient times, before creation. The beginning of that plan was the begettal of the self-existent offspring…[Read more]

I said:Quote I know it can be confusing to call our Thursday night as Friday night but that is how the Jews thought.You said:Quote No the Jews don't teach that, The Sabbath fo instance starts Friday evening(sunset) and ends Saturday evening(sunset)You just agreed with what I said through your explanation. The Sabbath day is the seventh day, right?…[Read more]

Also, did gravity exist before Isaac Newton discovered it?From what you argue about the Granville Sharp rule, gravity doesn't exist because Isaac Newton defined it and claimed it existed way before he defined it. Now why didn't Moses mention this supposed 'law' if there really was a law about such a thing?Goodness, do you see how ridiculous that…[Read more]

Btw, You gave me an answer but not an answer to THIS question:Does the Bible say that Jesus is our God and Savior in all 14 of those translations quoted above?

Give it up jb,Quote Detractors maintain that there are numerous examples in the Greek where Granville Sharp's rule fails to hold up, i.e. where two distinct referents are obviously intended. However, as pointed out by Daniel Wallace, this is due to a misapplication of the rule.^^ What is often overlooked is that Granville Sharp distinctly noted…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2013,18:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2013,23:37)…….why couldn't the Son be named before He was given His name after He was begotten?My point is that at some point, Jesus DIDN'T have that name, since it was at some point GIVEN to him.You cannot GIVE the name “Jim” to someone who has already eternally BEEN “Jim”.Are…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 26 2013,19:57)Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2013,03:55)kerwin,Is Jehovah a spirit?Is the Spirit of Jehovah a spirit?Is the Spirit of Christ a spirit?kathyyou asking is men a human then you ask his the will of  men a human being then you ask is the spirit of Christ a spirit ;;;;how could he be his own spirit and be his own…[Read more]

Agreed, Kerwin, they are not the same definition.I don't believe that the offspring of God (the ONLY Begotten Son) is the 'Spirit of God.' I believe that the offspring is the only begotten Son who is like His Father in attributes and nature, self-existent/eternal nature.

Quote (jb2u @ June 26 2013,20:18)You did not answer this question..5) YHVH can be both God and Lord. These are only titles anyway. Where is Jesus ever called “God of gods”?Jesus is called YHVH and as part of the unity of YHVH, the term 'God of gods' would apply to them together as He is never separated from the Father. Individually, it is not…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ June 26 2013,20:15)Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2013,04:59)Furthermore, you claim that Jesus never says that He is YHVH but the NT that is translated from the Greek manuscripts uses the word Kyrios for YHVH and therefore you will not find Jesus saying that He is YHVH from a translation of the Greek manuscripts. You can find where God…[Read more]