Btw, You gave me an answer but not an answer to THIS question:Does the Bible say that Jesus is our God and Savior in all 14 of those translations quoted above?

Give it up jb,Quote Detractors maintain that there are numerous examples in the Greek where Granville Sharp's rule fails to hold up, i.e. where two distinct referents are obviously intended. However, as pointed out by Daniel Wallace, this is due to a misapplication of the rule.^^ What is often overlooked is that Granville Sharp distinctly noted…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2013,18:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2013,23:37)…….why couldn't the Son be named before He was given His name after He was begotten?My point is that at some point, Jesus DIDN'T have that name, since it was at some point GIVEN to him.You cannot GIVE the name “Jim” to someone who has already eternally BEEN “Jim”.Are…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 26 2013,19:57)Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2013,03:55)kerwin,Is Jehovah a spirit?Is the Spirit of Jehovah a spirit?Is the Spirit of Christ a spirit?kathyyou asking is men a human then you ask his the will of  men a human being then you ask is the spirit of Christ a spirit ;;;;how could he be his own spirit and be his own…[Read more]

Agreed, Kerwin, they are not the same definition.I don't believe that the offspring of God (the ONLY Begotten Son) is the 'Spirit of God.' I believe that the offspring is the only begotten Son who is like His Father in attributes and nature, self-existent/eternal nature.

Quote (jb2u @ June 26 2013,20:18)You did not answer this question..5) YHVH can be both God and Lord. These are only titles anyway. Where is Jesus ever called “God of gods”?Jesus is called YHVH and as part of the unity of YHVH, the term 'God of gods' would apply to them together as He is never separated from the Father. Individually, it is not…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ June 26 2013,20:15)Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2013,04:59)Furthermore, you claim that Jesus never says that He is YHVH but the NT that is translated from the Greek manuscripts uses the word Kyrios for YHVH and therefore you will not find Jesus saying that He is YHVH from a translation of the Greek manuscripts. You can find where God…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ June 26 2013,19:59)Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2013,04:52)Now my question to you is:Have I shown you with just using the Bible that Jesus is called “our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ?”No. You have shown me an incorrect translation of the Bible, (the NIV I assume?), but you have not shown me where the inspired word of God says…[Read more]

Bo,From what I can tell, Jesus rose sometime before dawn on Sunday morning, the first day of the week. When Jesus said three days and three nights, a day was the part of the 24 hour period from dawn to sunset and night was from sunset to dawn. When it was said that He will rise on the third day, that was a day that went from sunset to sunset the…[Read more]

kerwin,Is Jehovah a spirit?Is the Spirit of Jehovah a spirit?Is the Spirit of Christ a spirit?

Kerwin,I'm speaking of the eternal offspring of God.

Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2013,11:13)Quote (Lightenup @ June 26 2013,11:28)But Kerwin, I never said that Jesus sitting on YHVH's throne makes Him YHVH. I said it was His eternal self-existent nature that He shares with His Father that makes them both YHVH.LU,I am confused.  How does Jesus' eternal self-existent nature differ from Jesus? What is a…[Read more]

Pierre,Col 1 calls Jesus the Firstborn, not the first conceived or the first created. A birth simply brings out someone who has already existed.

Bo,Agreed, if you make a point that I believe is true and there is not another explanation for it, I will acknowledge it.If He died on a Thursday at 3 pm and was in the tomb before sundown, that is:day one.Friday evening begins at sundown on what we call Thursday night, that is:night one.Friday day is:day two.Saturday evening which is what we call…[Read more]

Furthermore, you claim that Jesus never says that He is YHVH but the NT that is translated from the Greek manuscripts uses the word Kyrios for YHVH and therefore you will not find Jesus saying that He is YHVH from a translation of the Greek manuscripts. You can find where God the Father calls Him YHVH if you look back to see what He is quoting…[Read more]

jb,I have been showing you that Jesus is our God and Savior with the Bible but when you claim that what I am showing you is wrong, then I show you supporting extra-Biblical evidence. Then when I show you extra-Biblical supporting evidence, you say let's stick to the Bible. Do you see what you are doing? I'll show you what I mean:You say that…[Read more]

Let's look at Jonah…Matt 1238Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying, “Teacher, we wish to see a sign from you.” 39But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly…[Read more]

Bo,This is a discussion not a debate. Ideally we would come to an agreement on what is true and that would be a win-win for both of us. I don't think of you as trying to mislead me, don't worry about that. I think you have sincere questions and I am happy to answer them with scripture, give you my understanding, and show you a perspective that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2013,20:22)Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2013,18:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2013,18:25)Also, what is Jesus' NEW name?Mike,…….he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.So if that is his NEW name, then he HASN'T been “Jehovah our Righteousness” from eternity, has he?Of course, we already knew from John 17:11-12…[Read more]

But Kerwin, I never said that Jesus sitting on YHVH's throne makes Him YHVH. I said it was His eternal self-existent nature that He shares with His Father that makes them both YHVH.