Pierre,Are all those commentators in agreement with me or you on who the Word of Life is?

Bo, They both are God…that is what Peter is saying. the AKJV is not consistent in translating 2Peter 1:1 when you compare 2Peter 1:11 that has the same word construction with the only difference being the word Lord for God in v. 11.Here are several translations of each of these two verses written by the same author in the same chapter and notice…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,11:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2013,15:20)Mike,Peter called Jesus 'our God and Savior' but he didn't call Him God the Father. Peter calls two different persons 'God.'No Kathi,Peter spoke about “God”, AND “our Savior Jesus Christ”.  He spoke about BOTH of these people in 2 Peter 1:1, and then he spoke about BOTH…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,18:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 05 2013,00:49)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,12:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2013,21:52)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2013,21:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 03 2013,21:14)Hey tWhat in my statement about t8 is untrue?You are showing your bias also!WJWJQuote You should tell the whole…[Read more]

Good post Keith, not to mention the many times that the definite article IS used with theos in regards to the Son. I think t8 forgets that fact. He can't say he hasn't been shown over and over.

Ok, Bo…you say He was a man, prophet, messenger of God and a Word from God.Now tell me what this verse calls Him:2 Peter 1:1Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Quote (abe @ Aug. 04 2013,12:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2013,08:04)Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,20:55)WJ,Numbers  23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor the son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?God is not a man.Before you say that that was BEFORE He…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote I gave each of us half a point for this verse, since it CAN faithfully be translated two different ways. I strongly disagree and so does the NET translators. There is only one article for God and Savior and therefore both belong to one referent, Jesus Christ.Peter only wrote it one way. Since there is no Aramaic original, we…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,12:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2013,21:52)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2013,21:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 03 2013,21:14)Hey tWhat in my statement about t8 is untrue?You are showing your bias also!WJWJQuote You should tell the whole story. You believe in one god the Father and one god the son.THIS IS UNTRUE…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,12:33)“Our Lord” – according to your Peshitta, right?So now what, Kathi?Also, I haven't “declared it to be translated wrong” at all.I gave each of us half a point for this verse, since it CAN faithfully be translated two different ways.  (Well three ways now, since we have that Peshitta information to add to the…[Read more]

Mike,By focusing on 1 Peter 1 that does not mean that I am admitting anything about other verses. I am just not letting you declare it to be translated wrong and get away with it. I have not even looked for another verse from Peter in this regards.Also, the second use of 'our' does not mean two referrants, it is just emphasizing that one referrant…[Read more]

So what is Jesus to you if there are other options. Is the Bible inerrant? Is the quaran inerrant?Does not knowing the hour of His return but knowing EVERYTHING ELSE somehow mean that He is not God, the Son? What if love trumps knowledge in this case. If there is a choice to express knowledge or express love, perhaps it is more loving for the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,11:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2013,15:20)Mike,Peter called Jesus 'our God and Savior' but he didn't call Him God the Father. Peter calls two different persons 'God.'No Kathi,Peter spoke about “God”, AND “our Savior Jesus Christ”.  He spoke about BOTH of these people in 2 Peter 1:1, and then he spoke about BOTH…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,20:55)WJ,Numbers  23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor the son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?God is not a man.Before you say that that was BEFORE He became a man – That cannot be, because God does not change.Malachi  3:6 “…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2013,21:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 03 2013,21:14)Hey tWhat in my statement about t8 is untrue?You are showing your bias also!WJWJQuote You should tell the whole story. You believe in one god the Father and one god the son.THIS IS UNTRUE ;we believe in one God but we believe that Christ the “word of God” is a…[Read more]

Bo, You ask if we are done here, well, is that all of your so called 'discrepancies?' I have answered all of them either by my own thoughts of through the thoughts of others more capable of answering them. If I can offer you explanations myself or through others, isn't that what matters? Do you not appreciate that I am trying to help you overcome…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 03 2013,15:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2013,12:40)Also, 2 Peter 1:1 cannot faithfully be translated in two ways.Sure it can.Are you ready to post your second scripture?  Or are you ready to admit that your interpretation of 2 Peter 1:1 is ALL YOU HAVE in the way of pretending that Peter confused Jesus with…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 03 2013,15:10)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2013,12:42)Jesus was a priest in the same order as Melchizadek not a God in the same order as Melchizadek. You are just trying to cause confusion, Mike.Jesus IS a priest of God in the order of Melchizadek, Kathi.If the later priest can BE the Godhead, then why not the earlier…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 03 2013,12:47)Well then we better add in Melchizadek as one of our Gods too.  Because Jesus will be a priest in his order, which places Mel pretty high up in “the principal of Godhead” – don't you think?Jesus was a priest in the same order as Melchizadek not a God in the same order as Melchizadek. You are just trying to…[Read more]

Mike,We already know that Jesus is theos. We also know the Father is theos. Peter does too. Why shall I spend time proving what we already know?Also, 2 Peter 1:1 cannot faithfully be translated in two ways.