Quote (tigger2 @ Dec. 04 2013,00:57)Lightenup wrote:Quote tigger2,I was looking at Jeremiah 33:16 and noticed that it is quite different than Jeremiah 23:6. You should examine the Hebrew. There is a preposition 'to' right before 'Jehovah our Righteousness' in regards to 33:16 and no preposition like that in 23:6. Also, 'the name' is not there in…[Read more]

Wakeup,Deut 10:17 is an excellent verse to show the two powers of heaven/God.Deut 10:17For Jehovah your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the terrible, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,00:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 04 2013,11:17)Here is an example of some research done on the subject, Kerwin:http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/Further….ven.pdfLU,I got to the end of the 9th page and saw nothing about a second power accept those things I already knew and the words of a rabbi that condemned those that…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,00:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 04 2013,15:47)Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 27 2013,05:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2013,07:22)Wakeup,I believe that Jehovah is two powers, one is the Father and one is the Son. Both are called Jehovah together and separately and together they act in complete cooperation and…[Read more]

Thank you for the link, I will check it out.

The letter tav looked like a cross.

Here is an example of some research done on the subject, Kerwin:http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/Further….ven.pdf

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,23:44)LU,I looked on the web and could not find anything to reveal that even uncommon Jewish sects held there were two powers in heaven.  What I found is the stuff I already knew such as the divine word doctrine, the wisdom personification, the spiritual Adam, and things along that line.  None of these are really a s…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 27 2013,05:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2013,07:22)Wakeup,I believe that Jehovah is two powers, one is the Father and one is the Son. Both are called Jehovah together and separately and together they act in complete cooperation and interdependency.Jehovah the Father sent Jehovah the Son. Jehovah the Father gave Jehovah the…[Read more]

The two letters are 'aleph' and 'tav.' The translation of the two Hebrew letters into Greek would be 'alpha' and 'omega.'The meaning of the letters in Hebrew have a fuller meaning than just the first and last letter of the alphabet.From what I read, aleph means strength and tav means cross. The reason that you don't know is because you don't know…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2013,19:02)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2013,15:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,16:12)Also Kathi,You didn't address one of my questions.  I wanted to know if “the Word of YHWH” was ever said in the targums to be WITH “YHWH”.In other words, did they ALWAYS change “YHWH” to “the Word of YHWH” – to the point that “YHWH…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2013,18:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2013,15:04)From what I can tell, the Father and the Son are in the same classification…the most high classification.And what tells you that?  I read that Jesus is the firstborn of a bunch of spirit sons of God.  I read that he was the firstborn of all creation, and the beginning o…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2013,18:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2013,15:14)Mike,Do you honor the Son as much as you honor Gabriel who serves God? If you give the Son more honor, why?I give MORE honor to Jesus than to Gabriel.  They are both spirit servants of God who have helped human beings on many occasions, but Jesus is higher-ranking than…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 02 2013,17:41)Hi Kathi:And so, how are you going to prove that he always existed as a sentient being?  If you have the scriptures that show this, please disclose them.Are you aware that He was the eternal life, the wisdom that the Father possessed in the beginning? Do you need verses…look to Prov. 8:22 and 1 John 1-3 Did…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2013,14:22)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2013,03:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,16:18)Yes,Mike would honor the Servant OF God Almighty the same way whether he was born in 2000 BCE, 1885 AD, or somehow “existed” from eternity inside of the God who begot him.He would still deserve the honor of a great SERVANT of God -…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2013,15:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 26 2013,20:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 25 2013,17:12)I would still honor him as the Son, Servant, Prophet, Priest, Sacrificial Lamb, Spokesman, and Anointed One OF our one and only MOST HIGH God, Jehovah.So exactly the same way I honor him now.  How long he has lived wouldn't change one…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 02 2013,15:55)LU,Was Jesus' body preconceived?No.So are you speaking of preconception of the soul?Kerwin,I didn't say anything was pre-conceived. I used the term 'pre-begotten.' According to a fleshly example, a baby in the womb would be pre-begotten. Begotten is used in the sense of the act of bringing forth from within.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2013,18:59)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2013,15:04)From what I can tell, the Father and the Son are in the same classification…the most high classification.And what tells you that?  I read that Jesus is the firstborn of a bunch of spirit sons of God.  I read that he was the firstborn of all creation, and the beginning o…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2013,19:11)Quote (tigger2 @ Dec. 01 2013,19:27)Quote 6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness.Jehovah says HIS name shall be called Jehovah our righteousness!! That would be the messiah's name, btw.None of that disproves…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2013,18:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2013,13:42)Quote In his now classic Two Powers in Heaven, Alan Segal examines rabbinic evidence about early manifestations of the “two powers” heresy within Judaism. Segal sheds light upon the development of and relationships among early Christianity, Gnosticism, and Merkabah…[Read more]