Mike, where do the targums change 'angel' for the Word of Jehovah or Jehovah?

Do the targums identify Gabriel as Jehovah, Mike?

The NT speaks of someone (Jesus) who was given the Father's name, so yes, a second Jehovah. The NT also identifies Jesus as Jehovah of hosts, the First and the Last, the Lord of lords, the eternal life who was in the beginning with the Father, our God and Savior.

Mike,I understand what you are saying. Can you understand what I am saying in my last post about the ancients perhaps understanding two facets of Jehovah?

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 24 2013,13:55)Pierre,Then you agree that Jesus is the one that Jehovah speaks about as 'Jehovah of hosts' mentioned in Isaiah 8?11For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,12Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A…[Read more]

Mike,Perhaps they believed Jehovah had two facets…one unseen and unheard, the other which appeared and spoke. The NT is telling us one of these facets is the Father and the other is the Son.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 09 2013,19:37)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 08 2013,04:04)BTW, where are the scriptures that say that each of these are 'a god' as opposed to just 'theos'?Jesus. Satan. Gabriel. Michael. Molech. Dagon. Asteroth. Chemosh.Hopefully that is not too much work, but would appreciate these 8 or so scriptures where these are translated as each…[Read more]

Pierre,Then you agree that Jesus is the one that Jehovah speaks about as 'Jehovah of hosts' mentioned in Isaiah 8?11For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,12Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 23 2013,21:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2013,20:26)Here's an example, Kathi:2 Chronicles 35:6 KJV6 So kill the passover, and sanctify yourselves, and prepare your brethren, that they may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.Did Moses actually carry this PERSON (the word of YHWH) in his hand?Or does…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2013,20:26)Here's an example, Kathi:2 Chronicles 35:6 KJV6 So kill the passover, and sanctify yourselves, and prepare your brethren, that they may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.Did Moses actually carry this PERSON (the word of YHWH) in his hand?Or does “word of YHWH” simply refer to the…[Read more]

Pierre,Your quarrel is with Peter as he identified Jesus as the Stone who Jehovah says is Jehovah of hosts from Isaiah 8. In Isaiah 8, Jehovah of hosts is the Stone that Jehovah is speaking about. You have to look at both passages (Isaiah 8 and 1 Peter 2) to see that there are two persons…one as the speaker (Jehovah) and one as the stone…[Read more]

Hebrews 7:27He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.Can you admit that the Bible says that He 'offered' Himself?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2013,19:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2013,17:28)Pierre,You ought to study the Targums to find out what the Jews thought of as “the Word of the LORD.” The 'Word' meant something significant to the OT Israelites and they equated the “Word of the LORD” with the LORD when He appeared or spoke to humans.Kathi,There are SO…[Read more]

There are two who are our creator and we are to fear them both. They act as one.Person A and B are not the same person. Peter has already shown you that. Your argument is with Peter, not with me.Psalm 2:12Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take…[Read more]

Kerwin,you said;Quote I have seen where the NIV sticks to the Hebrew Masoretic text even when traditional translation favor the various Koine Greek manuscripts that are worded in accordance to more traditional translations.What I have seen leads me to think it may be a translation choice in that they are what they view as an equivalentThe KJV used…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 18 2013,18:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 19 2013,05:28)Pierre,You ought to study the Targums to find out what the Jews thought of as “the Word of the LORD.” The 'Word' meant something significant to the OT Israelites and they equated the “Word of the LORD” with the LORD when He appeared or spoke to humans.KathyNO.I do not…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 18 2013,19:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 19 2013,04:43)David,Is the Father a god?Wouldn't 'the God' be 'a god?'If so, reading the verse, John 1:1c as 'a god' really doesn't tell us that a god who may be spoken about in 1c is not the God. The article is absent when the scripture is speaking about 'the God' many times. The Greek…[Read more]

I am aware that scriptures are clear that God the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father. Scriptures are clear that the stone in Isaiah 8 is Jehovah of hosts whom Jehovah speaks about. The speaker is Jehovah, one person, the stone (Jehovah of hosts) is another…read it yourself. In 1 Peter 2, Peter quotes that passage in Isaiah and…[Read more]

Pierre,I have been telling you there are TWO persons, that is why one faces the other. I am not telling you that both are the same person. Both are Jehovah however. Jehovah is a name for two persons, not just one.

Pierre,You ought to study the Targums to find out what the Jews thought of as “the Word of the LORD.” The 'Word' meant something significant to the OT Israelites and they equated the “Word of the LORD” with the LORD when He appeared or spoke to humans.