Wakeup,The unbelieving Jews didn't call the Two Powers of Heaven a heresy until the Second Power was identified as Jesus during the Christian era. That in itself gives the idea more credibility as possible since they rejected Jesus as their Messiah and showed their lack of truth. Read above post to tigger2.

tigger2,You might be interested in this:Written by Dr. Michael Heiser from: http://www.twopowersinheaven.com/  His home page is: http://www.michaelsheiser.com/Quote Twenty-five years ago, rabbinical scholar Alan Segal produced what is still the major work on the idea of two powers in heaven in Jewish thought. Segal argued that the two powers idea…[Read more]

Pierre,I will address this with you here:https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….025;r=1

David the reason there are 200 threads about this topic is because the bottom line of all of them is that there are two who are a god that are for us and all the rest are not for us. It is not determined by the 'a' in the coptic translation. So when you or anyone starts a thread about the 'a' in John 1:1c, you will likely get someone who mentions…[Read more]

Pierre,Peter identifies Jesus as the Jehovah of hosts and the one to fear and sanctify in our hearts. He quotes Isaiah 8 in two places in 1 Peter. Chapter 2 and chapter 3. In both places Peter identifies Jesus as the one Jehovah is calling Jehovah of hosts in Isaiah 8.Those who stumble are those who deny Jehovah of hosts. Those who do not stumble…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2013,16:43)Kathi,Isn't it you who thinks “the word of God” is often a being?   Aren't those “beings” most likely angels? In fact,  you believe Jesus is sometimes the “angel of YHWH” who is mentioned in the OT, right?  Well, an angel OF Jehovah is not actually Jehovah Himself – whether that angel is Jesus or Ga…[Read more]

Quote (tigger2 @ Nov. 24 2013,16:39)“Aramaic Versions (the Targums):  These are Aramaic paraphrases of the Old Testament … prepared for use in the synagogue,” – Eberhard Nestle, The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge. Vol. 2, pp. 130-132.“The Targums are interpretive renderings of the books of the Hebrew Scriptures … into Arama…[Read more]

Mike, where do the targums change 'angel' for the Word of Jehovah or Jehovah?

Do the targums identify Gabriel as Jehovah, Mike?

The NT speaks of someone (Jesus) who was given the Father's name, so yes, a second Jehovah. The NT also identifies Jesus as Jehovah of hosts, the First and the Last, the Lord of lords, the eternal life who was in the beginning with the Father, our God and Savior.

Mike,I understand what you are saying. Can you understand what I am saying in my last post about the ancients perhaps understanding two facets of Jehovah?

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 24 2013,13:55)Pierre,Then you agree that Jesus is the one that Jehovah speaks about as 'Jehovah of hosts' mentioned in Isaiah 8?11For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,12Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A…[Read more]

Mike,Perhaps they believed Jehovah had two facets…one unseen and unheard, the other which appeared and spoke. The NT is telling us one of these facets is the Father and the other is the Son.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 09 2013,19:37)Quote (t8 @ Sep. 08 2013,04:04)BTW, where are the scriptures that say that each of these are 'a god' as opposed to just 'theos'?Jesus. Satan. Gabriel. Michael. Molech. Dagon. Asteroth. Chemosh.Hopefully that is not too much work, but would appreciate these 8 or so scriptures where these are translated as each…[Read more]

Pierre,Then you agree that Jesus is the one that Jehovah speaks about as 'Jehovah of hosts' mentioned in Isaiah 8?11For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,12Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 23 2013,21:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2013,20:26)Here's an example, Kathi:2 Chronicles 35:6 KJV6 So kill the passover, and sanctify yourselves, and prepare your brethren, that they may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.Did Moses actually carry this PERSON (the word of YHWH) in his hand?Or does…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2013,20:26)Here's an example, Kathi:2 Chronicles 35:6 KJV6 So kill the passover, and sanctify yourselves, and prepare your brethren, that they may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.Did Moses actually carry this PERSON (the word of YHWH) in his hand?Or does “word of YHWH” simply refer to the…[Read more]

Pierre,Your quarrel is with Peter as he identified Jesus as the Stone who Jehovah says is Jehovah of hosts from Isaiah 8. In Isaiah 8, Jehovah of hosts is the Stone that Jehovah is speaking about. You have to look at both passages (Isaiah 8 and 1 Peter 2) to see that there are two persons…one as the speaker (Jehovah) and one as the stone…[Read more]

Hebrews 7:27He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.Can you admit that the Bible says that He 'offered' Himself?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 19 2013,19:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 18 2013,17:28)Pierre,You ought to study the Targums to find out what the Jews thought of as “the Word of the LORD.” The 'Word' meant something significant to the OT Israelites and they equated the “Word of the LORD” with the LORD when He appeared or spoke to humans.Kathi,There are SO…[Read more]