Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2013,14:23)Mike,You don't seem to acknowledge that 'only' does not mean first of many. You see the term 'only' as in only begotten and then explain it as if it said 'first' begotten. Also, I am glad to see you understand that when one is called Jehovah, they are set apart from others called gods. That is a start!It is…[Read more]

tigger2I read your paragraphs just now. Can you show me where a PERSON is named as YHWH being the first separate word of their name?

Quote (tigger2 @ Dec. 04 2013,16:39)Quote tigger2,Since several translations translate this Jer 33:16 as the city being called Jehovah our Righteousness, there may be something to that but other translations do not give it that translation such as the Young's Literal Translation.]If it is correctly translated as the city being called Jehovah our…[Read more]

Mike,You don't seem to acknowledge that 'only' does not mean first of many. You see the term 'only' as in only begotten and then explain it as if it said 'first' begotten. Also, I am glad to see you understand that when one is called Jehovah, they are set apart from others called gods. That is a start!

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2013,18:07)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2013,22:20)All living creatures will be giving the same praise and honor to both the Father and the Son. You will too someday.Rev 5Show me the word “same” in the verse to which you allude.Rev 5:13And every created thing which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2013,18:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2013,22:18)Are you aware that He was the eternal life, the wisdom that the Father possessed in the beginning?Why do you assume that “in the beginning” means “from eternity”?It doesn't mean that in Genesis 1:1, does it?You are right though, that Jesus is a possession of his and our…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,15:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 05 2013,02:16)Jesus is also Lord of all and the First and the Last and Jehovah of hosts. I don't see anywhere that He was 'appointed' as Lord of all or the First and the Last or Jehovah of hosts. All things were made through Him and for Him.LU,Jesus is the First in the Last Messiah as…[Read more]

Bo,Thanks for giving me those verses. They prove that it was 'this cup' that He wanted taken from Him. Upon further investigation, we can know that it wasn't the 'offering Himself' for a sacrificial death that He was not willing to go through. The way we can be sure of that is by what the cup WAS NOT. Here Jesus tells James and John, sons of…[Read more]

Jesus is also Lord of all and the First and the Last and Jehovah of hosts. I don't see anywhere that He was 'appointed' as Lord of all or the First and the Last or Jehovah of hosts. All things were made through Him and for Him.

Kerwin,Thanks for your links. I am glad that you can see that 'the Word' meant something special to the Jews. In the NT, Jesus is identified as the Word. The Jews killed Him. They did not accept that the Word became flesh like them. My point with mentioning the whole thing about the “Word” of the OT was that it tied into the “Word” of John 1 where…[Read more]

tigger2,Israel and Judah are two more examples of places named after a person named Israel and a person named Judah. That doesn't mean that the place is the person, obviously.

Quote (tigger2 @ Dec. 04 2013,00:57)Lightenup wrote:Quote tigger2,I was looking at Jeremiah 33:16 and noticed that it is quite different than Jeremiah 23:6. You should examine the Hebrew. There is a preposition 'to' right before 'Jehovah our Righteousness' in regards to 33:16 and no preposition like that in 23:6. Also, 'the name' is not there in…[Read more]

Wakeup,Deut 10:17 is an excellent verse to show the two powers of heaven/God.Deut 10:17For Jehovah your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the terrible, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,00:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 04 2013,11:17)Here is an example of some research done on the subject, Kerwin:http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/Further….ven.pdfLU,I got to the end of the 9th page and saw nothing about a second power accept those things I already knew and the words of a rabbi that condemned those that…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 04 2013,00:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 04 2013,15:47)Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 27 2013,05:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2013,07:22)Wakeup,I believe that Jehovah is two powers, one is the Father and one is the Son. Both are called Jehovah together and separately and together they act in complete cooperation and…[Read more]

Thank you for the link, I will check it out.

The letter tav looked like a cross.

Here is an example of some research done on the subject, Kerwin:http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/Further….ven.pdf

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 03 2013,23:44)LU,I looked on the web and could not find anything to reveal that even uncommon Jewish sects held there were two powers in heaven.  What I found is the stuff I already knew such as the divine word doctrine, the wisdom personification, the spiritual Adam, and things along that line.  None of these are really a s…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 27 2013,05:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2013,07:22)Wakeup,I believe that Jehovah is two powers, one is the Father and one is the Son. Both are called Jehovah together and separately and together they act in complete cooperation and interdependency.Jehovah the Father sent Jehovah the Son. Jehovah the Father gave Jehovah the…[Read more]