Hi Wm,These verses talk about things happening that had not come to God's mind:Jer 19:5 and have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, a thing which I never commanded or spoke of, nor did it ever enter My mind;Jer 7:31  “They have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the…[Read more]

Hi Bo,you asked:Quote So what “cup” did Jesus have that John and James also have but that Jesus did not want?I sense that it was torture for believing Jesus was the Son of God which was the 'cup.' Jesus and James died from torture, John didn't. John was tortured by being dipped in hot oil but didn't die as per the legends. He died of old…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2013,17:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 16 2013,13:25)My claim is that this further identifies the two powers of heaven.Well then, go back and read verse 12 again…….. because that verse further identifies that one is a SERVANT of God, and one is God, who deemed that SERVANT worthy to receive much glory, honor, and…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 16 2013,14:36)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 17 2013,00:24)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,12:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 10 2013,02:12)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2013,19:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2013,00:53)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,15:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 05 2013,02:16)Jesus is also Lord of all and the First and the Last and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2013,20:33)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2013,21:09)Mike,Can you admit that the definite article is there in the Greek………This is the page I searched when I said it wasn't there.  And as you can see, it isn't listed on that page.But I looked deeper, and it is indeed the definite article, which is sometimes translated…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2013,19:56)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2013,21:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2013,19:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2013,21:48)Ask yourself what is this verse saying that existed from the beginning. The answer is the eternal life, i.e. Jesus!And ask YOURSELF why the Father had to GRANT Jesus to also have life in him – if…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2013,19:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2013,21:04)You have a very irresponsible argument there implying that Jesus must not exist at some point because human sons didn't exist at some point.God chose to explain His relationship to Jesus as “Father/Son”.  He explained it this way to HUMAN BEINGS, who would only…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 10 2013,12:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 10 2013,02:12)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2013,19:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2013,00:53)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,15:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 05 2013,02:16)Jesus is also Lord of all and the First and the Last and Jehovah of hosts. I don't see anywhere that He was 'appointed' as Lord of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2013,22:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,10:48)The “the” is not in the Greek text.  And I only found one English Bible that ADDS it…….. the MSG Bible.Also notice that blessing, honor, glory and strength are attributed to both the “one who sits on the throne”, AND to the Lamb.That distinguishes the Lamb as someone…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2013,19:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2013,21:48)Ask yourself what is this verse saying that existed from the beginning. The answer is the eternal life, i.e. Jesus!And ask YOURSELF why the Father had to GRANT Jesus to also have life in him – if he had already had eternal life from eternity.Hmmmm…………..Because He…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2013,19:06)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2013,16:04)Yes Mike. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. So they must be eternal if Jesus was with God in the beginning and he is eternal. Of course such reasoning is not reasoning at all.And perhaps the disciples were also from eternity, since Jesus said they had been…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2013,19:02)Kathi,Jesus is the SERVANT of our ONE and ONLY Most High God.  In fact, our ONE and ONLY Most High God is also Jesus' ONE and ONLY Most High God.Jesus isn't the Most High God, but the SON of Him.  And ALL sons come into existence AFTER their fathers have already been existing for a while.  If they both st…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2013,19:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2013,00:53)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,15:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 05 2013,02:16)Jesus is also Lord of all and the First and the Last and Jehovah of hosts. I don't see anywhere that He was 'appointed' as Lord of all or the First and the Last or Jehovah of hosts. All things were made…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,04:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2013,15:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,10:32)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2013,14:13)When you talk about everyone that you know that is begotten had a beginning really just shows the uniqueness of the Son being an 'only' when it comes to His not having a beginning.Kathi,You're…[Read more]

Bo,Jesus was asking to be spared from 'this cup.' I showed you that the cup He was to drink was the same cup that James and John were to drink. Therefore, it was not about being spared from dying for the sins of the whole world. Don't you see this? Or, do you think that James and John also died for the sins of the whole world? Quote As far as…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,10:32)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2013,14:13)When you talk about everyone that you know that is begotten had a beginning really just shows the uniqueness of the Son being an 'only' when it comes to His not having a beginning.Kathi,You're missing the point.  First, to be begotten is NOT in contrast to being created.…[Read more]

Bo, I have no problem with the fact that the Son who is Jehovah of hosts in Isaiah 8, being a servant to His Father, Jehovah. That doesn't make Him of a different kind than the Father. Can you admit that Jesus was not asking to be spared from being an offering for sin through death when He asked for the cup to be removed from Him?

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2013,16:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2013,09:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,16:18)Yes,Mike would honor the Servant OF God Almighty the same way whether he was born in 2000 BCE, 1885 AD, or somehow “existed” from eternity inside of the God who begot him.He would still deserve the honor of a great SERVANT of God – not the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,10:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2013,13:11)Jesus was the ETERNAL LIFE that WAS WITH THE FATHER from the beginning.I am not assuming anything but letting the word speak for itself.Okay.  And the earth is the planet that was created by God “in the beginning”.  Does the word “beginning” mean the earth is “from e…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,10:48)The “the” is not in the Greek text.  And I only found one English Bible that ADDS it…….. the MSG Bible.Also notice that blessing, honor, glory and strength are attributed to both the “one who sits on the throne”, AND to the Lamb.That distinguishes the Lamb as someone OTHER THAN “the one who sits on the…[Read more]