Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,04:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2013,15:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,10:32)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2013,14:13)When you talk about everyone that you know that is begotten had a beginning really just shows the uniqueness of the Son being an 'only' when it comes to His not having a beginning.Kathi,You're…[Read more]

Bo,Jesus was asking to be spared from 'this cup.' I showed you that the cup He was to drink was the same cup that James and John were to drink. Therefore, it was not about being spared from dying for the sins of the whole world. Don't you see this? Or, do you think that James and John also died for the sins of the whole world? Quote As far as…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,10:32)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2013,14:13)When you talk about everyone that you know that is begotten had a beginning really just shows the uniqueness of the Son being an 'only' when it comes to His not having a beginning.Kathi,You're missing the point.  First, to be begotten is NOT in contrast to being created.…[Read more]

Bo, I have no problem with the fact that the Son who is Jehovah of hosts in Isaiah 8, being a servant to His Father, Jehovah. That doesn't make Him of a different kind than the Father. Can you admit that Jesus was not asking to be spared from being an offering for sin through death when He asked for the cup to be removed from Him?

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 08 2013,16:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2013,09:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2013,16:18)Yes,Mike would honor the Servant OF God Almighty the same way whether he was born in 2000 BCE, 1885 AD, or somehow “existed” from eternity inside of the God who begot him.He would still deserve the honor of a great SERVANT of God – not the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,10:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2013,13:11)Jesus was the ETERNAL LIFE that WAS WITH THE FATHER from the beginning.I am not assuming anything but letting the word speak for itself.Okay.  And the earth is the planet that was created by God “in the beginning”.  Does the word “beginning” mean the earth is “from e…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2013,10:48)The “the” is not in the Greek text.  And I only found one English Bible that ADDS it…….. the MSG Bible.Also notice that blessing, honor, glory and strength are attributed to both the “one who sits on the throne”, AND to the Lamb.That distinguishes the Lamb as someone OTHER THAN “the one who sits on the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 07 2013,14:23)Mike,You don't seem to acknowledge that 'only' does not mean first of many. You see the term 'only' as in only begotten and then explain it as if it said 'first' begotten. Also, I am glad to see you understand that when one is called Jehovah, they are set apart from others called gods. That is a start!It is…[Read more]

tigger2I read your paragraphs just now. Can you show me where a PERSON is named as YHWH being the first separate word of their name?

Quote (tigger2 @ Dec. 04 2013,16:39)Quote tigger2,Since several translations translate this Jer 33:16 as the city being called Jehovah our Righteousness, there may be something to that but other translations do not give it that translation such as the Young's Literal Translation.]If it is correctly translated as the city being called Jehovah our…[Read more]

Mike,You don't seem to acknowledge that 'only' does not mean first of many. You see the term 'only' as in only begotten and then explain it as if it said 'first' begotten. Also, I am glad to see you understand that when one is called Jehovah, they are set apart from others called gods. That is a start!

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2013,18:07)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2013,22:20)All living creatures will be giving the same praise and honor to both the Father and the Son. You will too someday.Rev 5Show me the word “same” in the verse to which you allude.Rev 5:13And every created thing which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2013,18:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 03 2013,22:18)Are you aware that He was the eternal life, the wisdom that the Father possessed in the beginning?Why do you assume that “in the beginning” means “from eternity”?It doesn't mean that in Genesis 1:1, does it?You are right though, that Jesus is a possession of his and our…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 04 2013,15:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 05 2013,02:16)Jesus is also Lord of all and the First and the Last and Jehovah of hosts. I don't see anywhere that He was 'appointed' as Lord of all or the First and the Last or Jehovah of hosts. All things were made through Him and for Him.LU,Jesus is the First in the Last Messiah as…[Read more]

Bo,Thanks for giving me those verses. They prove that it was 'this cup' that He wanted taken from Him. Upon further investigation, we can know that it wasn't the 'offering Himself' for a sacrificial death that He was not willing to go through. The way we can be sure of that is by what the cup WAS NOT. Here Jesus tells James and John, sons of…[Read more]

Jesus is also Lord of all and the First and the Last and Jehovah of hosts. I don't see anywhere that He was 'appointed' as Lord of all or the First and the Last or Jehovah of hosts. All things were made through Him and for Him.

Kerwin,Thanks for your links. I am glad that you can see that 'the Word' meant something special to the Jews. In the NT, Jesus is identified as the Word. The Jews killed Him. They did not accept that the Word became flesh like them. My point with mentioning the whole thing about the “Word” of the OT was that it tied into the “Word” of John 1 where…[Read more]

tigger2,Israel and Judah are two more examples of places named after a person named Israel and a person named Judah. That doesn't mean that the place is the person, obviously.

Quote (tigger2 @ Dec. 04 2013,00:57)Lightenup wrote:Quote tigger2,I was looking at Jeremiah 33:16 and noticed that it is quite different than Jeremiah 23:6. You should examine the Hebrew. There is a preposition 'to' right before 'Jehovah our Righteousness' in regards to 33:16 and no preposition like that in 23:6. Also, 'the name' is not there in…[Read more]

Wakeup,Deut 10:17 is an excellent verse to show the two powers of heaven/God.Deut 10:17For Jehovah your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the terrible, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.1 Cor 8:6yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord,…[Read more]