@t8

LU, we must believe in the one true God and his son.

Very good, that would make a theos who is the Father and a theos who is the Son. That makes two theos whom we must believe in and follow for salvation.

@NickHassan
@terraricca

you did not answer this:

How many persons who are called theos somewhere in scripture must you believe in and…

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@t8

But God’s existence is not subject to anyone or anything. He always was. He has always been.

Actually God the FATHER’s existence demands the existence of an offspring. So, are you telling me that He was not always God the Father? Did He’change?’

@t8
you said:

But for us there is one true God the Father. All others are either false or called ‘theos’ because of their office etc.

Are you saying that Jesus is a theos because He was put in that office/position? If so, who is He theos of? Is He not theos of the church? It would be pointless for the Father to put someone in the position of…[Read more]

@t8

you said:

But he cannot be eternally be the offspring of God without ‘eternally proceeding’.

Not so…an offspring is the child whether born or yet to be born. In both conditions, the child exists. We know that the Son of God was begotten, therefore we also know that the child existed before being begotten. Even you existed for a period of…[Read more]

@NickHassan

@t8

@terricca

How many persons who are called theos somewhere in scripture must you believe in and follow to have everlasting life?

All three of you, please answer this fundamental question. Thank you guys!

@NickHassan
you said:

Yes the Word.

The Word that was with God and was God.

Did you think it meant the man from Nazareth before he was anointed?

That was in response to my question here:

Do you believe that there is a theos in scripture that is the Lord Jesus Christ?

So if Jesus is God and the Father is God, how many theos are there that we…[Read more]

@terricca
If someone is a firstborn, obviously there was someone in existence who gave birth to the firstborn. In a similar matter, if someone gave birth to their firstborn, that firstborn had to exist beforehand. Therefore, being called a firstborn doesn’t prove that the one born wasn’t always in the Father waiting to be born. I believe in one…[Read more]

@terricca
Your passage in Col 1 actually doesn’t dismiss an eternal existence at all. The word ‘firstborn’ does not mean first created.
If you understood the Son as eternal also it would help you lay a firm foundation as you study.

If you don’t want to ignore scriptures, well that is good…look at this:
1 John 1
1That which was from the…[Read more]

@t8
nudge>>>

@terricca

You say such and such is impossible and then you make a comment about what is possible or impossible is of no concern to men.

When you say that eternal existence of the Son is impossible, you deny a great thing, it is no small thing. You ought to be at least open to the possibility.

@terraricca

you said:

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE SON TO BE EXISTING FROM THE SAME TIME OF HIS FATHER ,FOR HIS FATHER OBVIOUSLY COMES FIRST THEN THE SON ;AND SO AS SCRIPTURES SAYS THE SON HAS BEEN CREATED FROM THE FATHER ;THIS IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND LIKE ME MY SON COME FROM ME AND SO HIS BORN AFTER ME NOT BEFORE OR DID NOT EXIST WHILE I WAS BORN ,OF…

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@NickHassan

you asked:

Would you like me to show you all the times THEOS is used in scripture and for how many different things?

No need to show me all the times it is used in scripture and how, Nick. I just want you to tell me if it is used for the Son who is called our one Lord Jesus Christ and for God the Father. That will be sufficient for…[Read more]

Thanks Pierre,
So would you say that it is possible that the Son always existed as the offspring part of the Father and then was begotten to participate with the Father in creating the cosmos and govern the cosmos?

@NickHassan

Just answer the question Nick. I don’t believe theory is a part of it. The Hot Seat is waiting for you if you can’t answer it here then you can show us all that you do or do not have an answer for the question there. It is really a simple yes or no question.

Also, you asked if I was a god…how silly…no, of course not.

Here is the…[Read more]

@NickHassan
Ok, I will help you. ‘Theos’ is Greek for ‘God/a god’. Now just substitute the English translation for the word ‘theos’ in this question:
Do you believe that there is a theos in scripture that is God the Father? Do you believe that there is a theos in scripture that is the Lord Jesus Christ?

2 Timothy 2:15

Be diligent to present…[Read more]

@NickHassan
You asked:

And was God in Christ reconciling the world to Himself?
God in God?

Answer my questions correctly and you will know:

Do you believe that there is a theos in scripture that is God the Father? Do you believe that there is a theos in scripture that is the Lord Jesus Christ?

I appreciate ya, Nick!

Well, the picture did not appear but I selected it with everything else that did appear. hmmm.

I am going to test copying a web page using the visual tab here:

Guacamole Salad

recipe image
Rated: rating
Submitted By: yogurtraisin
Photo By: Blender Woman
Prep Time: 20 Minutes

Ready In: 50 Minutes
Servings: 8
“Fresh avocado, tomato, cucumber, and corn are tossed together to make a delicious, crisp salad for a hot summer…[Read more]

@t8
YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING. THAT IS CLEAR IN EVERY RESPONSE YOU GIVE ME. LET ME TRY AGAIN TO MAKE IT CLEAR AND SIMPLE.

*I DO believe that Jesus is a literal firstborn of God the Father, and the ONLY born of God the Father, as a true uncreated offspring, not as a created offspring.

*I DO believe that the literal firstborn…[Read more]

@t8
you said:

LU, do you have any photos or other evidence since there is no scriptural support for your view?

Do you not believe that Jesus is the literal son of God the Father? That is found throughout scripture. Wasn’t it you who was telling me that Jesus was/is the firstborn in a literal sense and now you say there is no evidence for my view…[Read more]