Hi wakeup et al,
I understand the Son as the eternal offspring PART of the one true God, the Father. As offsprings naturally are, He is the same type of being as the Father which makes two persons who have the same attributes and same eternalness of the highest sort. When God appears as one person, the Son is right there as a part of His whole…[Read more]

@kerwin
You try to hold so tightly to your own reasoning. I have shown you many things in scripture that show that Jesus is a son of God, the kind that is after the kind of the father’s kind. He is called the firstborn over all creation, and God connected that with the light of day one for me. He is called the only begotten son of God. Jesus said…[Read more]

@kerwin

There is no evidence in Scripture that God reproduces after his kind

Hmmmm…..
The Son is the exact reproduction of the Father.

Heb 1:3
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation (charaktér) of His nature…
Strong’s #5481-charaktér: a tool for engraving
Original Word: χαρακτήρ, ῆρος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Ma…[Read more]

@kerwin

Are you just now realizing that I am saying that the Son of God is a special, authentic offspring of God and the only son of God in this manner?

i am not the only one that can see what i see ,same spirited mind will see the same things ,

Exactly! Test the spirits and choose the one that is from God. It is no prize to be joined in spirit with the wrong spirit.

@kerwin
The Son of God existed before the cosmos was created. He became the Son of Man also. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Btw, t8 did not make a point except that he can take things written out of context and twist them to try to discredit others. I’m not dodging a worthy challenge because I see none.

@kerwin
You speculate that Jesus is handing over the kingdom of Light to His Father. I don’t believe that is what is being talked about. Instead it is the Kingdom of Darkness that Jesus has abolished and handed over to the Father. The kingdom of Light already acknowledges the Father as God and ‘head’ of the Son. Christians in general do not…[Read more]

@kerwin
You are speaking of the “Son of Man” who is the promised heir to David’s throne. I am speaking of the Son of God. He is both!

@t8
You deserve a trophy for taking things out of context and twisting the intention of the author…congratulations! I wouldn’t go around bragging about it though.

@kerwin
you said:

Jesus was not adopted.

Nevertheless consider that Isaac who was Abraham’s second child is called Abraham’s one and only child in Scripture despite the fact that Ismael is also Abraham’s child. Scripture chooses the call Isaac the one and only child because Isaac is the child of the promise and Ismael, though his brother, is no…

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@NickHassan
If he looks like a divine person, acts like a diving person, he is a divine person. The divine person took on flesh and was called Emmanuel, meaning God with us.

@kerwin
you said:

You already know I do not mean he is a person that is called Wisdom but that he is instead the vessel of God’s literal Wisdom.

Yes, I am aware that you do not acknowledge Jesus to be the wisdom of Prov. 8 but that He represents God’s wisdom as a man. However, in the end of the book, He is worshiped as a person that, with a…[Read more]

@kerwin
Regarding wisdom being the person of Jesus…

Luke 11:49 Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’

1 Cor 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Luke 8:21 But he (Jesus) answered them, “My…[Read more]

@kerwin
Are you suggesting that once the new covenant was in place that mankind changed from depraved to righteous?

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among w…[Read more]

@kerwin
I believe we have gone over this. Once again, regarding gender of words whether Greek or Hebrew, the gender of words that have no obvious gender, like wisdom or head, are written as having gender. In Hebrew, nouns are either masculine or feminine. In Greek, nouns are either masculine or feminine or neuter. Wisdom is always a feminine noun…[Read more]

@kerwin
I believe we have gone over this. Once again, regarding gender of words whether Greek of Hebrew, the gender of words that have no obvious gender, like wisdom or head, are written as having gender. In Hebrew, nouns are either masculine or feminine. In Greek, nouns are either masculine or feminine or neuter. Wisdom is always a feminine noun…[Read more]

@kerwin
I believe we have gone over this. Once again, regarding gender of words whether Greek of Hebrew, the gender of words that have no obvious gender, like wisdom or head, are written as having gender. In Hebrew, nouns are either masculine or feminine. In Greek, nouns are either masculine of feminine or neuter. Wisdom is always a feminine noun…[Read more]

t8
There are two beings who are both called theos in scripture. They both have dominion over all created things for ever and ever. One is the Son of the other.

If they were two different types of beings, they wouldn’t be father and son. The church is built on the truth that Jesus IS the Son. That is my belief also.

@NickHassan
The Word was a person, the person of Jesus.

@kerwin
Regarding Jesus always being a Son of God even before creation:
I believe that this passage is talking about the person of Jesus and is symbolized as ‘wisdom.’ Something I believe that God showed me that has driven me into scriptures and changed my desire to study fervently was what happened to me when I asked God what was meant by the…[Read more]