@Wakeup

you said:

You have been proven scripturally wrong Lightenup.

And where was that which you have proven anything to me? You have only offered your own understanding of some verses. Do you call that proof? Can you give me any early church father’s agreement with you at all on this ‘God’s woman’ heresy that you insist on?

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@t8
Sad that you do not want to understand what ‘eternally begotten’ means but you just want to ‘slam’ me for using ‘higher education that puffs one up’ when I expose your lack of understanding to one of the very things you seem to have devoted your website to discredit. I thought a man once corrected would accept correction with humility and…[Read more]

@Wakeup
you asked:

How can Christ marry a church like this one? All the churches of today are even worse.

John 3
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world…[Read more]

@Charles
you said:

YOU HAVE TO ACHIEVE THE SPIRITUAL HEAVENLY SYSTEM, WHILE STILL ON EARTH!

THAT IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL, THAT ONE MUST LIVE ONLY BY THE NECESSITIES! IN CHRIST AND HIS GOSPEL SINCE EVERY THING IS CORRUPTED!

I’m trying to understand your post, so please bear with my questions.
What are these ‘necessities’ according to you? Please…[Read more]

@Wakeup
Is your teaching, your ‘woman?’
Is the doctrine of the apostle’s their ‘woman?’

@t8
you said:

You believe in the son always proceeding from the Father. That is the man-made doctrine of the eternal generation of the son.

I don’t believe you understand the term ‘eternally begotten’ as written in a form of the Nicene Creed. When the Father says about the Son, “Today, I have begotten you” in Heb. 11, that word ‘begotten’ is…[Read more]

@Wakeup
you said:

Jesus is not going to marry his own body.

Jesus doesn’t marry His own body. His bride is a body of believers with Christ as the head. Like a man who is head of his wife.

Don’t make it so difficult. A man doesn’t marry his own body but is head of his wife and the two become one flesh.

I’m totally at peace with the church…[Read more]

@t8

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,

The courage to change the things I can,

And the wisdom to know the difference.

Good prayer. I have accepted that it is not I that can change you. My hope is to challenge the reader from buying into your small view of Christ.

@t8
you say this but you still don’t know the Son:

eternal life is to know the only true God and his son

If you knew the Son, you would know that eternal life is to know two who are called theos in scripture, in this particular verse in John 17, one is referred to as the only true theos, the Father and the other theos is referred to as Jesus…[Read more]

@t8
you say this but you still don’t know the Son:

eternal life is to know the only true God and his son

If you knew the Son, you would know that eternal life is to know two who are called theos in scripture, in this particular verse in John 17, one is referred to as the only true theos, the Father and the other theos is referred to as Jesus…[Read more]

@t8
you asked:

Kathi, have you even won one point here?

Yes, several.
The main one that there are two who are called theos in scripture who share dominion over all creation for ever and ever.

@t8
And WHERE did I ever use this term “eternally generated?”
So far, you are not very impressive in your comprehension, claiming that I use terms like eternally generated is a perfect example. It is no wonder you are so messed up in your doctrine considering you poor comprehension of the written word.

@Wakeup
you said:

1.The people are the invited to the wedding.
2.The bride is the clothing they have on.

Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

Matthew 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

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@carmel

you said:

ABANDON THIS CORRUPPTED WORLDLY CARNAL SYSTEM TO ACHIEVE THE SPIRITUAL HEAVENLY SYSTEM, WHILE STILL ON EARTH!

Would you please tell me how you think that I am holding on to a corrupted worldly carnal system?

@Wakeup
The Holy Jerusalem is the church made up of persons who are clothed in the righteousness of Christ. This is what I have been saying all along.

@t8
you said:

it is not written anywhere that Jesus is an eternal offshoot of God.

I didn’t write that either. Why did you mention the word ‘offshoot’ instead of the word I used-“offspring?” That is a good example of poor reading comprehension or a typo or intentional twisting of words. Which was it, t8?

you also said:

Further, God is not an…

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@t8
you said:

it is not written anywhere that Jesus is an eternal offshoot of God.

I didn’t write that either. Why did you mention the word ‘offshoot’ instead of the word I used-“offspring?” That is a good example of poor reading comprehension or a typo or intentional twisting of words. Which was it, t8?

you also said:

Further, God is not an…

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@t8
you said:

So Yeshua is not God himself, but existed with his nature. So yes, the same kind as God, but not God himself.

He is NOT God the Father himself, but He is God as the Son, the only eternal offspring of the Father.

you also said:

So before his fall, and according to your view, we have to add in another who was God. Obviously your…

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@terraricca

Perfection with perfection is God with God in John 1:1. Some make it as Perfection with less than perfection thus missing truth and denying the Son who would be the same type as His Father, imo.  Perfect Father with Perfect Son=God with God. The perfection is equal, the relationship is different. For instance, a perfect father…[Read more]

@t8

One way that people deny the Son is by saying that He is NOT the same type of being as the Father-an eternal being. A true offspring is the same type of being as their father…always.

The offspring of a dog is another dog.

The offspring of a fish is another fish.

The offspring of a human is another human.

The offspring of a god is…[Read more]