@Wakeup
The Holy Jerusalem is the church made up of persons who are clothed in the righteousness of Christ. This is what I have been saying all along.

@t8
you said:

it is not written anywhere that Jesus is an eternal offshoot of God.

I didn’t write that either. Why did you mention the word ‘offshoot’ instead of the word I used-“offspring?” That is a good example of poor reading comprehension or a typo or intentional twisting of words. Which was it, t8?

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Further, God is not an…

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@t8
you said:

it is not written anywhere that Jesus is an eternal offshoot of God.

I didn’t write that either. Why did you mention the word ‘offshoot’ instead of the word I used-“offspring?” That is a good example of poor reading comprehension or a typo or intentional twisting of words. Which was it, t8?

you also said:

Further, God is not an…

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@t8
you said:

So Yeshua is not God himself, but existed with his nature. So yes, the same kind as God, but not God himself.

He is NOT God the Father himself, but He is God as the Son, the only eternal offspring of the Father.

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So before his fall, and according to your view, we have to add in another who was God. Obviously your…

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@terraricca

Perfection with perfection is God with God in John 1:1. Some make it as Perfection with less than perfection thus missing truth and denying the Son who would be the same type as His Father, imo.  Perfect Father with Perfect Son=God with God. The perfection is equal, the relationship is different. For instance, a perfect father…[Read more]

@t8

One way that people deny the Son is by saying that He is NOT the same type of being as the Father-an eternal being. A true offspring is the same type of being as their father…always.

The offspring of a dog is another dog.

The offspring of a fish is another fish.

The offspring of a human is another human.

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@Wakeup

This is simple.

Holy Jerusalem=those clothed in the righteousness of Jesus (the church-the bride of Christ)

Babyon the great=those not clothed in the righteousness of Jesus

@Wakeup
Hi there,
The holy city is the church.

Consider these passages:
Rev 19
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of…[Read more]

@t8
I am actually trying to help you see that Jesus was an always existing part of the one true God…an offspring part. As offsprings typically are, Jesus is the same kind of being as His Father and therefore He is also perfect in every way. He also has dominion with the Father over all creation. If that isn’t a great definition of what true God…[Read more]

@Wakeup

you said:

The church is said to be the body of Christ and the head is Christ. Do you agree?
Is Christ to marry his own body? No.
You need to discover God’s Woman; and the bride of Christ; Which is the daughter of God’s woman.

After marriage, the bridegroom and the bride become one flesh, so this fits very well for Christ to be the hea…[Read more]

@Wakeup
The church is a group of people, correct? This group of people, as a unity, not individually, are the Bride of Christ. How is that a contradiction? Maybe you just misunderstood me.

@Wakeup
God (Jesus) marries the group of people called the church. He does not marry individuals. Marriage on earth is only a type of this marriage. Jesus becomes one with the church and cares for her as a bridegroom cares for a bride. I think it is a metaphor to stress the intimate relationship that Jesus has with the body of believers who…[Read more]

@t8

you said

Yourself on the other-hand describes Jesus as predominantly God, occasionally the Father, and I read recently that you admitted to others being called theos for the first time (from what I can remember and have read). Taking the whole of scripture into account, you clearly take one or two verses to promote  a doctrine and largely…

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So, if this is working, then this text is in multiple fall colors and not just black…

Yeah! It works easily…good job t8!

@Grasshopper

You asked me to give you reason as to why I believe that the church is the bride of Christ. Here is a passage from Isaiah that it is a group of people that is the bride, that which YHWH marries. YHWH here is the YHWH of hosts from Isa 8 that 2 Peter identifies as Jesus.
Isaiah 62
1For Zion’s sake will I not hold my peace, and for…[Read more]

this should be the color blue if I did this correctly

@t8
Your problem is not with me but with scriptures. I side with scriptures and I am in good company with the early church fathers, btw.

Therefore neither would the Lord, nor the Holy Spirit, nor the apostles, have ever named as God, definitely and absolutely, him who was not God, unless he were truly God; nor would they have named any one in…

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Those above two posts should be enough to show you that I am not alone in my understanding of two who are called LORD. I am in the good company of many of the early church fathers in my doctrine whereas you are lacking support there as you deny that Jesus is called LORD.

@t8
Regarding who is being referred to as the “theos of this world”, you are also confused as you will read here, according to Irenaeus. This should help clarify as to who the God being referred to is-the true God, not satan as you believe and give credit to as being the god of this world.

Chapter VII.—Reply to an objection founded on the words o…

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@t8

From Ireneaus to help you realize about those who are called God/god:

Chapter VI—The Holy Ghost, throughout the Old Testament Scriptures, made mention of no other God or Lord, save him who is the true God.

1. Therefore neither would the Lord, nor the Holy Spirit, nor the apostles, have ever named as God, definitely and absolutely, him w…

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