@t8
“YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”?
As we have gone over and over, a begettel of a son does not imply the beginning of an existence of a son. A begettal can simply mean ‘to bring forth’ as in birth. Even you existed as a living being before you were begotten from your mother.

And again, “I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A…[Read more]

@t8
you said:

God is the only one in existence who has always existed. All life, spirit, and light comes from him originally. Even the son owes his life to God.

The Father owes His existence to the Son, the Son owes His existence to the Father.

A father without an offspring is not yet a true father. You believe that God always existed but you…[Read more]

@t8
You are welcome. Here is the question that I asked on the previous page:

Who is identified as THE Eternal Life in 1 John 1?

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— 2the life was made manifest, and w…[Read more]

@Wakeup
Rev 12 was a symbolic vision of an upcoming event. Why do you think it is speaking about a past event, prior to creation?

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

@t8
Check the last post on the page before this for a question that I would like you to answer. Thanks.

@Wakeup
you said:

There was no church before creation, yet Gods woman is in Him.

Please answer.

Please answer WHAT?

@Wakeup
you asked who the ‘her’ is:

Malachi 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

Isaiah 66:12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to Her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream:…

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@Wakeup
Funny how you complain of there being many different doctrines in the many different denominations yet, you at the same time add your own doctrine, increasing the division. Actually, the Church being the bride of Christ is agreed upon throughout the church. There is unity there where you seek to divide. If I use another’s words as support…[Read more]

@t8
Word of Melito of Sardis:

We are not those who pay homage to stones, that are without sensation; but of the only God, who is before all and over all, and, moreover, we are worshippers of His Christ, who is veritably God the Word existing before all time.

“Touche'” Melito…Melito of Sardis, btw, was martyrd in 177…[Read more]

@t8
you said:

Clearly you do not believe his words LU. You deny these words of eternal life.

Actually, I said that I agree with the words. You just misunderstand that Jesus is an always existent offspring part of the one true God who the Holy Spirit inspired the writers to call Him not only Son, but also God, Jehovah, the Eternal Life and Lord of all.

@t8

you said:

You’re barking up the wrong tree. The beginning is a starting point and no matter when you obtain eternal life, it doesn’t make you God or eternally generated in the Trinity sense.

Correct, someone who obtains eternal life could not be God and must be a creature, no matter when they obtained it. Let me ask you this:
Who is ide…[Read more]

@Wakeup
you said:

No one can accept that answer but you.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_john/1-1.htm
Read and learn, the lady is either an individual woman or a church according to all the commentaries that I read.

AS for the ‘her’ in Isaiah 66, read what Gill writes:

Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her,…. The church; she…

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t8
Do you now think that YOU too were the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning? I don’t think so. Only the living Word (Jesus) was the eternal life which WAS WITH the Father. Sorry to disappoint you.

Read it again:
1 John 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have…[Read more]

t8
Do you now think that YOU too were the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning? I don’t think so. Only the living Word (Jesus) was the eternal life which WAS WITH the Father.

Read it again:
1 John 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands…[Read more]

@t8
You must have missed this question:

Please select which one is your understanding-
a) Jesus was not God with the God in the beginning.
b) Jesus was God who was with the God in the beginning.

Thanks!

Also, you asked:
Do YOU believe Jesus when he said:

“Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, w…

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@Grasshopper
Glad you are following along but this is a private debate…you aren’t supposed to post in a private debate unless you are one of the two who are debating, sorry. Thanks for respecting that 🙂

@Grasshopper
This is a private debate, sorry. Thanks for respecting that.

@Wakeup
The lady here in 2 John is a prominent female member of the church and her children are…well, her children. Simple as that.

@t8
you said:

I am all ears if you can show me the scripture.

The one who was eternal life, was with the Father from the beginning:
1 John
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2For the life was manifested, and we…[Read more]

@t8

you said:

You have heard my views Kathi, so answer me this question. Do I believe Jesus when he said:

“Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”

Yes or no.

Yes, you believe what the verse says but you do not know them as God with God in the beginning. Rather you believe tha…[Read more]