terraricca,
Jesus is given the task because HE is the Father’s power to carry out the task. He always acts according to the Father’s will and the Father always carries out His will through His power-His own Son.

The Father gives the vision, the Son carries it out. This is interdependence. The Father does not work apart from the Son, but instead,…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
Hi Gene,
I realize that you want to have a discussion in general regarding the topic of this thread. What I am asking is if you would be interested in a closed discussion between you and me only. Would you like to do that? If so, I will start that and give you a link to it.

Gene
Jesus IS the image of the invisible God. I didn’t have to invent Him as an image of God. Your problem is with scripture, not with me.

Also, I believe that God, the Son, did become man so all your caring on about me not believing that He is a man is without merit. So, from now on, you cannot say that I don’t believe that Jesus became a man.…[Read more]

terarricca says:

BUT THE SON CANNOT BE MORE POWERFUL THAN HIS OWN FATHER ,THIS IS A FACT

What you miss is this:
The Son IS the power OF the Father. It is not a question of ‘if’ He is more powerful than the Father.

Bring on your first question, not all at once. We will start there, terraricca.

@t8
If there is an always existent Father, then an always existent Son is implied. The two are interdependent.

You seem to think that the Father is and was God apart from the Son, I do not agree. I believe that the Father as God of gods is dependent on the existence of the Son and the Son as Lord of lords is dependent on the existence of the…[Read more]

@t8
If there is an always existent Father, then an always existent Son is implied. The two are interdependent.

You seem to think that the Father is and was God apart from the Son, I do not agree. I believe that the Father as God of gods is dependent on the existence of the Son and the Son as Lord of lords is dependent on the existence of the…[Read more]

@t8

This is why we say you cannot be ‘us’ even by your own admission.

You preach another gospel.

Glad you realize that and see a distinction.

I would rather be with the ‘us’ that has both, the ‘God of gods’ and the ‘Lord of lords’, the one and mighty God-Jehovah who IS both.

@t8
you said:

So if Jesus is God because he has power over us, then does Jesus have power over God? You clearly said no. Jesus is not the one true God by your own admission. Rather, he is in submission to God.

Where was it that you asked me if Jesus had power ‘over God’ and where was it that I said that Jesus didn’t have power over God…[Read more]

Nick,
you asked:

If scripture is divine communication can we improve on it?

We are not to add to the truth of scripture but it is fruitful to explain it. Jesus did many times.

ahh Nick…when explaining things to humans, would you use non-human terms. Wouldn’t that be a bit fruitless?

@t8
The logos is a sentient person and always has been and always will be. When begotten that person created the universe. You are right that the one who begat Him was not diminished after the begetting. They remain interdependently existent.

“IF” WE CAN GO FAR WITH THAT WORD ,BUT NOT IN THE TRUTH ,

Prove it terraricca. Were you there at the time? If not, then you really don’t know if it is true or not, do you?

You have many questions. Pick one for starters, ok.

@Anastas

The duck is quacking but you aren’t listening to it for yourself, you re just mimicking your teachers hoping they got the sound right and copying it.

Does that make you feel better when you belittle those who understand Christ differently than you?

Have you considered this:
Matt 7
2For you will be treated as you treat others.a The…[Read more]

Terraricca,
You are right, men of God act differently than those who do not believe that Jesus is more powerful than they are.

Nick,
Actually, God the Son, is a term that helps a person distinguish who is being spoken about between God the Father and His Son. It is quite helpful and it’s ok to say, btw. It is no longer a mystery.

@Anastas
Jesus is God the Son, not God the Father. He is exactly like the Father in attributes and has been given creation, which He created, btw, to be Lord to. Even God the Father calls Him “God” and identifies Him as Jehovah. Peter also identifies Him as Jehovah of hosts. Jehovah is God of gods and Lord of lords. Jesus is identified as Lord of…[Read more]

@terraricca
You can’t prove that didn’t happen as Nicodemus wrote…so you merely assume that it is a lie because it doesn’t support your Christology. I tell you what…your opinion doesn’t make it false. You have to have more than an your opinion. The Bible does speak of an event that dead people had risen from the dead and walked around the town…[Read more]

@GeneBalthrop
I dont use a Catholic Bible. You are mistaken in nearly everything you wrote in your post except that Jesus, according to the flesh is from the seed of David through His mother Mary. That is where He, being the Son of God from eternity, became also a son of man. His first birth was without mother, His second birth was without earthly…[Read more]

@bodhitharta
You are right, God is not a man, that is why God the Son had to become a man because He wasn’t one already. He became one supernaturally. Don’t try to understand it because it isn’t something that can naturally happen. Just accept it…it was necessary to conquer the hold of sin.

You say that He can’t be 100% God and 100% man. I…[Read more]